Author Topic: Kaff's XBR (now sold to.... "don't worry, I've got this covered!" - ylisuuta  (Read 23161 times)

Dick Scratcher

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2011, 11:24:40 AM »
Having taken several makes of forks apart and come across this problem you've got, an answer I've used is, providing the fork is assembled with the spring putting a degree of downward pressure on the damper, is, and this sounds very crude, to insert the 'Allen' key into the bottom bolt and then strike it in the 'unscrewing' direction with something along the lines of a scrap pair of pliers. This does sound a bit daft but there's a reason for using some relatively 'light' means of force and the reason is 'speed', if something heavier such as a hammer is used it'll give the damper time to move with the bolt and nothing will be achieved. A friend of mine re-assembled a Marzocchi fork and foolishly used threadlock on this damper bolt and then decided he wasn't happy with the job and wanted to dis-assemble again and this method I've put forward worked on getting the bolt back out notwithstanding the threadlock. Another method I've heard of but never tried is to use an electric drill with a reverse facility to hold the 'Allen' key and give it quick bursts of power and see what happens !......................let us know how you get on !.

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2011, 02:52:51 PM »
A crude way is to do as Dick says, but use an electric drill, in reverse,  with an allen key, set on "hammer" and press very hard before firing... poor man's heavy impact driver  ;)
« Last Edit: February 19, 2011, 02:56:01 PM by el vencejo »

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2011, 08:26:22 PM »
If you use a drill with an adjustable clutch then you can set it to just bite and jolt the allen key in exactly the same way as an impact driver.

damhikijkok   ;)
 
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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2011, 12:55:57 PM »
A small update.

I managed to separate the forkleg by using an impact gun on the bottom bolt. I've re-assemblied them both with fresh oilseals, copperwashers and fluids.

As previously stated, my top yoke cracked during straightening. My mate TJV (who's a genius when it comes to welding aluminum) and I originally thought about fixing the crack by welding, but the idea was scrapped due to the difficult spot of the crack and possible thermal disformation. Luckily I found a replacement for it on fleabay, which I'm currently waiting for. A few pics of the crack:



I've also done a lot of painting – nothing fancy, just basic stuff using aerosols. Here a few blasted bits ready for paint:


The front brake caliper was in bad shape. The slide had totally rusted in and I'm betting the caliper hasn't worked properly for some time. Also the slide boots were totally shot. Pics:



Since all the other seals were in great condition, I decided to test how it works by using merely o-rings instead of the slide boots. Of course this leaves the slide totally exposed, but rust won't be an issue no more as I made a new one from stainless steel. Also new Kyoto pads installed. Pics:




My new tires arrived too. I got Pirelli Sport Demons and stuck with the recommended dimensions. Now I just need to clean the rims and have these installed and balanced.


To be continued..

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2011, 08:56:28 AM »
Flying on, good effort

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2011, 02:05:38 PM »
A quick update on the project:

- Rims cleaned, balanced and new wheels fitted on.
- Front forks assembled, the new top yoke installed and basically the whole front fork is pretty much done.
- Rear brake and sprocket in place and rear wheel in position for a quick mockup.
- Tank thrown in place for the mockup



I've set up the front fork the same way Hurley did, the fork tubes are up an extra 10mm and handles reversed and switched left to right. The setup does suite me well since I have quite long arms, however there's only about 15mm space between the bars and tank when turned fully - a problem in case of a crash since thumbs will get stuck in between. Also, note that the rear shocks are not in place, and the rearwheel will get a bit more up.

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2011, 02:39:28 PM »
This is more like a tutorial than an update on the project. This is NOT the only way to do this, and the finished product might not meet everyones expectations, it's just the way I did it.

Tutorial: restoring old plastic handle bar switch assembly
As the roads are melting FAST here, I've started to feel a bit too anxious to just slap the bike together, so I can ride it soon. However, I've decided to stay strong, do the bike so it will please me in every way as soon as it's done, although it might take more time. As my front end is mechanically starting to be together, I dug up the handlebar switches, which were in bad shape:




The top part of the main bracket (if you will) was strangely pitted and lacking colour. It almost seemed as if someone had sandblasted it and painted it with a very thin cloack of grey paint with silver flakes in it. The texture was really rough as the picture of the run/off-button shows. The bottom part was okay though. My concluson was that this is the result of plastic being exposed to UV-rays for 25 years. The problem is merely cosmetic but it still bothered be enough to start thinking about how to revive it. The obvious choise would be to paint it, but since I'm usually against painting for surfaces that don't need it I decided to try and polish it - after all, the part is made out of one piece of some sort of black composite.

So I started by cross sanding it under water (with a bit of soap in it). I started off with 400 grit followed by 500, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1500 and finally 2000 grit.

after 400 grit


after 800 grit


after 1200 grit


after 2000 grit

People are always scared of going into this because they think it will take forever, but in fact, if you gradually go through as many grits as I did, the only part that takes more than 10 minutes is the first one. The first 400 grit pass is critical, you need to remove as much material as needed in order to make a smooth surface for the following grit, which will only even out the scratches made by the previous grit. In this case, I needed to re-do the whole procedure as I didn't sand deep enough with the 400 grit the first time. This piece of plastic was pitted HEAVILY.

Then I took out my dremel-tool with a self-made "buffing wheel". This was essentially made using small pieces of an old 100% cotton t-shirt pressed together.


The reason I needed to make my own buffing wheel is that dremel has very high RPM's and the felt buffer that came with the set was too hard and started to melt the plastic.

After dry buffing with dremel

The results could have been better if I had used a buffing compound with the final buff, but I didn't have any at hand. Also waxing the part might bring it to a more glossy surface but over all, I'm pretty happy with the final product - It looks a bit weird on the above photo under direct sunlight, but it's actually pretty close to the finish of the bottom part. I did the same treatment with the run/stop-button:


I love the fact that there's no paint on it - to me, it brings a certain "truth" to the part.

The internal components will be cleaned (the conductive surfaces sanded clean and all the springs will get fresh grease). Obviously this procedure removed the lettering from the part, but they can be applied later if needed. This one might get away without them since run/off reads on the button and the starter button will be disabled, so that leaves only the light switch unmarked and I think I can remember what it does  ;).

Until next time.

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2011, 09:04:58 PM »
Some update.

As I was assembling the brake master cylinder, I noticed that the sight glass had seen better days (in short, you couldn't see s**t through it) so I decided it needs a replacement. I took out the old one which literally crumbled when given a little pressure using only a fingertip. I also noticed how thin it was and decided the new one needs to be thicker, so I dug out everything I could from the hole to get to bare aluminum walls. Here's what came out:



I turned a new glass on a lathe from a polycarbonate staff. It's 6mm thick and well polished so good visibility and durability in one package. I made an O-ring groove to the side of the glass, then made a REALLY tight fit with an O-ring to keep the glass from leaking. Alas, I have no idea about how polycarbonate reacts with brake fluid, but I guess we'll find out soon ;) .


This is a random snapshot to show the love I'm giving to parts that don't show outside, a freshly painted gauge bracket with treated rubber parts (btw, I use Korrek SiliconeStick to all my old rubber parts - it really revives them):


I also was so pumped on the look the handlebar switch got after polishing, so I figured I'd try the same procedure with my headlight dome. The hard part was to sand it all the way down to bare plastic, after that it was just going through grits and polishing. I love the semi-gloss almost charcoal black finish that it now has. Might use a coat or two of wax just to protect it from UV-rays:



The rear shocks were totally functional, but I didn't like the look they had - the black on the shocks themselves had chipped here and there and the chrome-painted springs had partially given way to rust. So I took them apart, sand blasted and painted the shock and the spring. I also got new bushings to each end as the old ones were a bit streched and loose. The preload adjuster and the top mountring got polished with a buffing wheel. The black plastic shield (?) still needs some work in order to compliment the other parts. My only worry right now is will the paint stay on the springs as they need to be compressed hard for assembly. I know you can get paint made specifically for springs but, well, I'm broke and impatient so we'll see how they turn out.


To be continued.

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2011, 09:32:24 PM »
wow kaff your really putting some hard work in on your xbr  nice job looking foward to the  seeing it finished where did you get the bushes for the shocks i could do with some off those..............tommy

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2011, 11:20:43 AM »
Thanks tommy, I'm really looking forward to seeing (the day) it('s) finished as well. :D Hopefully I'll be able to take her out at least for a while next summer.

The bushes I ordered through my local Honda dealer, so I guess just go to your local Honda shop and order them in? Theyre genuine Honda spareparts.

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2011, 06:53:19 PM »
Bit more progress..

I assembled the rear shocks and, to my surprise, the paint on the springs didn't chip off! I had a difficult time finding a suitable spring compressor for the rear springs, so I made one. It's pretty ghetto but functional. The ghetto-compressor at work and the final product:



My headlight was mounted with standard M10 nuts, which needed to be held in place when tightening the headlight or aligning it. I saw this as a problem since when doing vertical alignment of the headlight the sidebolts need to be loosened and tightened and with the current setup, it's impossible without removing the headlight from the dome. I noticed there were grooves inside the headlight dome, probably for some kind of mount nuts - so I made alloy nuts to match:



I've also spent days trying to figure out the electrics as many of you might have noticed from the problems section. I've started to draw myself a completely new wiring loom - my goal is to eliminate as much wire as possible and also keep the whole wirind diagram more simple.

A part of this idealism led to designing an "electricnest", if you will. This under the seat box is supposed to house the CDI-unit, brake- and taillight sensor, turn signal relay, fusebox and the battery. The first incarnation of this is born in 1mm thick stainless steel sheetmetal, I cut the baseplate in form, drilled the holes for mountpoints and such and then folded it into shape. As you probably can guess, the holes were a bit off after folding, so next time - drill AFTER folding if possible. Then I welded the sidewalls on. You have to excuse my welds - it's been a while since I've TIG-welded anything. Let this part be a reminder to all that welding is a skill that needs to be trained constantly.





I'm not really happy with this - it's a bit heavy (well.. not really but yes compared to aluminum or composites) and not very pretty. My other concern with it is since I scrapped the idea of using a LiFePO4 battery due to compatibility issues with the alternator and their tendency to.. erm.. spontaneously burst into flames, I've yet to find a lead-acid or gel battery that fits in the box properly. I found one, but it's only 1,2Ah. Do you guys think I could pull a 1,2Ah rated battery with no electric start and mainly LED lights?

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2011, 08:36:27 PM »
Hey guys, thought I'd shed some light on my projects current status. I've been working in a different city for 1,5 months now, so I've gotten to work on the bike quite seldom. However some progress has been made: I'm almost done with my driving school so pretty soon I can legally drive a motorcycle. Sadly the XBR is in no condition to be driven. Here's the little that I've managed to do:

The front of the bike is almost done. I wasn't happy with how the stock clip-ons looked and feeled as they were, and I didn't like the stock look either. So I ordered a pair of fully adjustable Tommaselli clip-ons to get the stance I wanted. I've set them up with a fairly steep 17 degrees angle, but it looks and feels right. I've also obtained some bar end mirrors to finish the café look on the front. The front electrics are 90% done, I managed to get the original gauges lit up completely using LED's. How she sits now:






I also made a "ground bar" to the headlight dome to uncomplicate the wiring loom.


Hopefully the bike will be up and running in some condition during this season.

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2011, 09:49:07 PM »
You are doing one fab job considering your circumstances. Keep it up and keep the progress reports coming

Ian :)
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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2011, 08:26:14 AM »
A small battery will not do the job. Starting a 500 single takes a lot of current. And if you do get it started the regulator will see low voltage and supply enough juice to recharge a normal-sized battery or fry a little one. Strangely enough, the people who designed that bike knew what they were doing.

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Re: Kaff's XBR
« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2011, 11:18:52 AM »
How do you recon the starting amperes would be more than what is needed while running? The spark is no different and the only thing cranking the engine is my foot.

EDIT: only problem I see is the regulator overheating and breaking down. A functional regulator/rectifier will not force feed amperes to anything.