Classic TT "rules bending"?

[Andy M]

Saw a bit on the telly last night. Having a collection of top flight professional riders on replica bikes seemed to make it just another race to me.  I guess I'm the wrong audience.

Andy

[themoudie]

Good morning,

Thank you all for the many differing viewpoints expressed on this thread.

This is a link to a statement issued by Mistral Racing [Mistral_Racing_statement], if you haven't read it; in my opinion it indicates the depth of the mire that the race organisers and sponsors have made for themselves. There is nothing new about this cat and mouse game when 'winning' either kudos or hard cash is involved, but consistancy in the application of the published rules is the least the paying public should be able to expect!

I agree that the whole experience of both the 'old' MGP and the post 2013 'Festival' are great, having lived on the IoM and visited many times since the mid '70's. But, to sell the experience on the back of a 'Run what you brung' time trial over a ~37mile 'hill climb' course, rather than the advertised racing classes and to credit outright class lap records to out of class machinery, is bad form for those amateurs who supported and continue to support the original ethos of the MGP.

Here is another opinion Mike_Nicks_Why?.

I just hope the Classic TT organisers don't louse it up for us all; the whole event becoming a 'side show' to an over priced "marketing opportunity" like Glastonbury and T in the Park!

As for ITV4's 'programme' last night!   

Off to the workshop! 

My regards, Bill

[Steve Lake]

That pretty much explains it Bill.... I like the comments from Mistral , Mike nicks seems to be very much on the organisers side... but the general idea from all sides is.... 'organisers.... pull your bluddy fingers out and make everything clear and precise' here's to next year
pip pip

[themoudie]

I feel that this statement by Greenall Racing of their view of events surrounding the Classic TT disqualifications needs to be posted on this thread for completeness Greenall_Racing_statement.

My comments in my post of 2nd September 2016, remain the same.

My regards, Bill

[Moto63]

Morning all, just back from my jollies (yes had a good time thanks really enjoyed reading this thread. Did'nt know anything about it all, I'm going to av to go onto tinterweb and find out what all you chaps are having some classic (see what I did there) rants about....cheers, Michael

[Andy M]

I feel that this statement by Greenall Racing of their view of events surrounding the Classic TT disqualifications needs to be posted on this thread for completeness Greenall_Racing_statement.

My comments in my post of 2nd September 2016, remain the same.

My regards, Bill

This is a mess.

It is apparently OK to cheat in order to put on a show but if you are the "right sort" you can have your engine "sealed"  and not worry?

It feels like an Australian Try will always be worth 5 points while a Belgian one might be assumed to be forwards unless proven otherwise?

Is this a Sport with rules or a parade for old bikes with famous riders with a bit of WWF thrown in for "entertainment"?



Andy

[timbo]

 A lot of interesting stuff on this thread. It certainly does appear that the Classic is a right mess    However, the Manx seems to be well run, and is a great watch. Actually, so is the Classic, but they need to sort their s@@@ out! Is it a race, or is it a show? However, there is still so much other stuff on over the period that these events are on, and the atmosphere for all visitors is fantastic.

[themoudie]

Even the AMA Pro Racing Flat track have their problems when it comes to 'Rules & Regulations', this snippet from the 'Sideburn' website nicely illustrates what should happen if all is transparent and the 'Magic Circle' are not involved in applying 'Rules & Regulations'!  The ruling might not be to everyones liking and some in AMA Pro Racing will have some explaining to do, but the outcome of the appeal is unambiguous.

AMA_Pro_Racing_Flat_track rules and appeal

My regards, Bill

[themoudie]

And a further 'inside' view into the way the 'Classic TT' may develop.   

When_is_a_Classic_not_a_Classic?

The 'theme park' theme draws nearer. 

Toodle pip, Bill

[Steve Lake]

and no mention of the bikes that should have been checked (promoted to podium positions after the disqualifications/withdrawals) and weren't
I think they should just let them get out on track 'run wot u brung' , take their declared cc/bhp and apply a handicap.

[Andy M]

I watched the Goodwood revival on the telly for a bit last night. The festival feel was more to my taste (especially when Troy Corsa tried a silly overtake and dumped his BMW in a puddle).

It might be WWF style, but if they call it a festival not a race I'm happy.

Andy

[manxie]

I`m with you one this one Andy, I watched it too and was cringing when the BMW went down and when Aston Martin`s, Corvettes and E types are crashing into each other    loved the pedal car race too!!! It`s on my bucket list to go there for sure... it is different to the MGP/Classic though, I don`t think it can really be compared. The "Classic" certainly need looking at over here, bit of a shambles this year but it is like living in a motor vehicle museum for two weeks here when the Manx is on ... priceless machinery for joe public to drool over and mostly free!! (apart from getting here) Love it 

[timbo]

I couldn't have described it better 

[Steve Lake]

I did goodwood a few years back, went as a rocker on trusty #1 srx. did all of it, including the afternoon cricket match , lord March's select (rather pi55ed) 11 V riders & drivers (equally sloshed) 11, it was hilarious and it's the first time (and hopefully the last) that I got pished on Pimms  , and stuffed full with cucumber sandwiches (crusts cut off obviously)... and that set the tone for the rest of the weekend.. bloody magic... tickets for the whole weekend were expensive, but not as pricey as the rip off iom steam packet co!!
it's definitely NOT the iom, just as unique in a totally different way. I thoroughly recommend it.
not every day you can stand next to a mechanic while he takes the head off a 1931 Bugatti (est value £0.75m - 1m) or study the internals of a genuine MV as it was being rebuilt...