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themoudie

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2013, 09:48:14 PM »
Self flagellation with a bunch of mistletoe, whilst imbibing some fermenting beverage of ewe's milk, honey and psilocybin mushrooms to the chant of "Snooker loopy nuts are we.....!" at the 'Crucibal' or "18teeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" from the 'Lakeside' beer pit. Hurrumph!

Curmudgeonly thoughts, whilst imbibing fruit flavoured spring water and 400mg antibiotics with "mobile molars"!   :-X

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2013, 12:52:43 AM »
and dont forget to go back to work in jan!!

......I wish.....got to go back in Dec....this year   :'(


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Re: Christmas
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2013, 09:10:53 AM »
and as an avowed atheist with no religious beliefs whatsoever, can i say, enjoy the time off work, and have a good time, but lets not forget the true meaning of 'christmas', the pagan midwinter festival celebrating the turning of the year and the aproach of spring, and lets not allow its meaning to be diluted by the hijacking of it by the christian church as well as the modern commercialized spendfest. so, have a few beers, put your feet up, and dont forget to go back to work in jan!!

Well John,
all atheists are religious, atheism is a religious position as your comments provide ample evidence... :P

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2013, 11:58:20 AM »
Sorry? Atheism is a religious belief? In what way? If you suffer from an indoctrinated belief in a supernatural invisible man. Then that's your own mental health issue. My own opinion is that its all a selusion. There isn't a god whatever man made story you chose to believe regardless of its lack of evidence. I believe that you're born you live and you die. And that's it. That's not a religious belief. That's an observation of FACT. And that's all there is. Quite how you equate that to a religious statement is beyond me. Wishing other people a pleasant time amid an imppsed religiois beenfeastisnt itself a religious statement. I'm not christian, but I still enjoy a Sunday off. That doesn't mean I'm going to drop to my knees and play along with your fantasy. Its all bunkum
 But feel free if it pleases you to believe in your god. I choose not yo because he doesn't exist. But I'm not about to try and persuade you that. After all. You've chosen to believe despite a total lack of evidence so I doubt that you will be willing to provide any. However. Feel free to believe it in your own head. The difference between us is that I'm not in any way bothered by your decision to believe in an impossibility. But you seem to feel that my failure to copy you is due to a similar disorder in my own mind.

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2013, 01:14:57 PM »
John,
I am not that bothered whether you believe one thing or another. I have not called your mental state into question. I have not asked you to play along with anything, fantasy or otherwise, nor am I about to enter into some pointless debate with you about evidence.

I am not interested in angry exchanges - it is your life, do with it as you see fit.

I do however,  hope you are having a happy Christmas and I wish you a great new year!

Steff

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2013, 09:26:16 PM »
This isnt angry!. You accused me of following a religion, though you seem confusrd by the defenition! But to me religion is a belief in the supernatural. Which by the very nature of its completely unprovable and evidence free nature has to at the least be an aberation of the personality. After all, let's face ot, as a christian you believe in an invisible man in the sky who it is claimed is the supremely powerful being in the universe. Now if I went and claimed to be in communication with a being who only existed in my mind, I suspect that I would at least be assessed at the local mental health unit. Now if you find any of this wrong, please put your counter argument. Oh btw claiming ' faith' isn't an argument.

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2013, 09:52:45 PM »
This isnt angry!. You accused me of following a religion, though you seem confusrd by the defenition! But to me religion is a belief in the supernatural. Which by the very nature of its completely unprovable and evidence free nature has to at the least be an aberation of the personality. After all, let's face ot, as a christian you believe in an invisible man in the sky who it is claimed is the supremely powerful being in the universe. Now if I went and claimed to be in communication with a being who only existed in my mind, I suspect that I would at least be assessed at the local mental health unit. Now if you find any of this wrong, please put your counter argument. Oh btw claiming ' faith' isn't an argument.

Steff,

I know you are enjoying this, put your wooden spoon away and stop winding up the agnostics,

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2013, 10:00:35 AM »
This isnt angry!. You accused me of following a religion, though you seem confusrd by the defenition! But to me religion is a belief in the supernatural. Which by the very nature of its completely unprovable and evidence free nature has to at the least be an aberation of the personality. After all, let's face ot, as a christian you believe in an invisible man in the sky who it is claimed is the supremely powerful being in the universe. Now if I went and claimed to be in communication with a being who only existed in my mind, I suspect that I would at least be assessed at the local mental health unit. Now if you find any of this wrong, please put your counter argument. Oh btw claiming ' faith' isn't an argument.

Steff,

I know you are enjoying this, put your wooden spoon away and stop winding up the agnostics,

Furry

I thought Johns' an atheist not an agnostic. ::)
« Last Edit: December 28, 2013, 03:08:03 PM by Mark »
There exists a set of people who believe 2>4

Steffan

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2013, 11:36:27 AM »
I am not playing!!

This is so unbelievably tiresome!

Read what I wrote.  I am not arguing with you as I am surplus to requirements, you seem quite capable to keeping it up on your own.

'Your reproof is something too round: I should be
angry with you, if the time were convenient.'

I am going, libel someone else!

I will not be posting any anything further.

have a great new year

Steffan



« Last Edit: December 28, 2013, 12:12:26 PM by Steffan »

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2013, 01:25:29 PM »
This isnt angry!. You accused me of following a religion, though you seem confusrd by the defenition! But to me religion is a belief in the supernatural. Which by the very nature of its completely unprovable and evidence free nature has to at the least be an aberation of the personality. After all, let's face ot, as a christian you believe in an invisible man in the sky who it is claimed is the supremely powerful being in the universe. Now if I went and claimed to be in communication with a being who only existed in my mind, I suspect that I would at least be assessed at the local mental health unit. Now if you find any of this wrong, please put your counter argument. Oh btw claiming ' faith' isn't an argument.



Steff,

I know you are enjoying this, put your wooden spoon away and stop winding up the agnostics,

Furry

It would be difficult to wind up an agnostic, surely? They sit on the fence.
BEIGE is all the rage

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2013, 03:28:11 PM »
Piles!  :o

Very unpleasant!  :-X

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2013, 04:07:48 PM »
Misquote?
Very unpleasant!  :-X

There goes another very long standing, valued by many, member of this forum, it seems we can no longer stick to the basis of the club, a shared love of single cylinder motorcycles. When one member cannot manage to say Merry Christmas to the rest without invoking a savage series of responses we don't deserve to survive as a club, we have become an open forum with minimum moderation and open membership. I know not the way forward from here.

Furry John
Here I go again!!

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2013, 07:12:00 PM »
Topic is now locked. As Furry John says this is a forum for bikes, if you want to argue the about anything else please find another more suitable forum.

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2014, 08:20:59 PM »
This isnt angry!. You accused me of following a religion, though you seem confusrd by the defenition! But to me religion is a belief in the supernatural. Which by the very nature of its completely unprovable and evidence free nature has to at the least be an aberation of the personality. After all, let's face ot, as a christian you believe in an invisible man in the sky who it is claimed is the supremely powerful being in the universe. Now if I went and claimed to be in communication with a being who only existed in my mind, I suspect that I would at least be assessed at the local mental health unit. Now if you find any of this wrong, please put your counter argument. Oh btw claiming ' faith' isn't an argument.

Steff,

I know you are enjoying this, put your wooden spoon away and stop winding up the agnostics,

Furry

i could say the same to you.
!!!!as you well know,  an agnostic is someone who refuses to believe but doesnt rule it out, in short theyre open minded on the subject, and before the accusation of not being open minded is thrown out, i mean that they neither completely believe nor completely  disbelieve. i on the other hand am no agnostic. i dont believe in yours or anyone elses god. this disbelief is because none of them do or ever have existed. now if you want to bandy words then continue, but if youre about to offer evidential proof for the existance of a god, then im all ears, lets see what has eluded every other religios scholar who has ever lived.

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Re: Christmas
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2014, 08:35:09 PM »
Misquote?
Very unpleasant!  :-X

There goes another very long standing, valued by many, member of this forum, it seems we can no longer stick to the basis of the club, a shared love of single cylinder motorcycles. When one member cannot manage to say Merry Christmas to the rest without invoking a savage series of responses we don't deserve to survive as a club, we have become an open forum with minimum moderation and open membership. I know not the way forward from here.

Furry John

now hang on a mo, please lets make sure we are on the same thread. someone came on and said merry xmas, it was followed by a number of lighthearted responses in the same vein. i then posted that as i wasnt a christian i want going to wish you one, but as it was a pagan festival that was hijacked by the christians, that you should have a good time and not forget to return to work in jan. now thats a true representation is it not?
THEN, the op couldnt let it rest that someone didnt share his beliefs, so he piped in with an accusation that i was in fact lying about being an atheist, but i was in fact a follower of the supernatural. is that not what happened? doesnt the thread on your computer have all the posts i can see. im not going to go into the whole 'he started it' argument, but nobody died, ive no problem with you believing whatever you want, but at the same time im not going to join you. belief in the supernatural doesnt really figure in my life, so ive not been back here since, tbh ive had much more productive things to do.
so, im not either bothered or upset, and will quite happily argue the toss over this or any other topic, its no big deal, its like arguing over whether star trek is real, plenty of hot air and supporters, but no facts. so i can only assume that  ne of the religious folk on here is upset by this. if so, who is it whos complained? and if they have faith and truly believe in it, why would they want to silence any opposition?
finally, if there is to be no discussion except the topic of single cylinder bikes, then arent you going to be deleting the chatter, humour and rants sections?
oh, how come its not now locked?


quick final edit, steffan has emailed me and ive responded. ive no malice intended to him over this and i think he is of the same mind. we disagree fundamentally on a subject that has always polarised opinion. but you know what, were all grown ups here, nobody died, no harm was done, and a little heated debate and exchange of opinion never did any forum any harm, hell, nobody even got compared to hitler and the nazis, surely the benchmark of an internet forum discussion gone too far. happy new year to you, whatever crackpot beliefs you have, hell, im told some of you even think hondas are superior, so this place really does appeal to all sorts of wierd folk!!
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