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[Propellor]

Yes, best of luck pursuing the new shock claim. Presumably it goes initially through Moto GB?

In the old days I'd be thinking of writing a letter over the issue. I might yet find myself in that position.

Fingers crossed everyone is reasonable 🤞🤞🤞

[Propellor]

Quick snoop at some images that come up on Google and the photos of the stock shock show stitch welds twice as long as the ones on yours.

[xbally]

Yes thanks I will update this thread as and when.

I understand RE has set up its own UK branch now as opposed to third party importers.

Interesting what you've found so far Andrew.

In my mind it's clearly a faulty product liability claim. I'd like to think that we've moved on from the old days- at least I hope we have but if not -no worries as I've a wealth of legal claims experience to fall back on!

[Propellor]

Yes thanks I will update this thread as and when.

I understand RE has set up its own UK branch now as opposed to third party importers.

Interesting what you've found so far Andrew.

In my mind it's clearly a faulty product liability claim. I'd like to think that we've moved on from the old days- at least I hope we have but if not -no worries as I've a wealth of legal claims experience to fall back on!

Good man. Go get em. I can't see how on earth they can pin that on you.

If that tang "ring" is actually two pieces then it's a poor idea if you ask me. Not particularly from a strength point of view but to keep the thing in position to prevent exactly what you have encountered. A little tricky to be sure from a photo so I'll have wait until next week to have detailed peep at mine.

[xbally]

I can always add more photos if needed.

[Propellor]

Gives the impression (see what I did there) of a pressing. Further suggesting two "half rings".

Pretty sure the scram shock is more like the Showa design we'd see on jap bikes.

[xbally]

I've spoken to QB this morning and was told REUK don't have the part in stock so it's presumably on back order from India. It's all beginning to sound a familiar story of the Japs in the 70' and 80's!

[Propellor]

I've spoken to QB this morning and was told REUK don't have the part in stock so it's presumably on back order from India. It's all beginning to sound a familiar story of the Japs in the 70' and 80's!

Frustrating to say the least. Difficult to contain anger, but, to be fair, an oem shock is probably not expected to be needed.

How do you feel about continuing to use the bike as is? If it was me (and it might be) I'd use it with very regular inspections I think. I think the preload would most likely still be fine, it's whether one can trust the stitch welds to hold.

[xbally]

I've spoken to QB this morning and was told REUK don't have the part in stock so it's presumably on back order from India. It's all beginning to sound a familiar story of the Japs in the 70' and 80's!

Frustrating to say the least. Difficult to contain anger, but, to be fair, an oem shock is probably not expected to be needed.

How do you feel about continuing to use the bike as is? If it was me (and it might be) I'd use it with very regular inspections I think. I think the preload would most likely still be fine, it's whether one can trust the stitch welds to hold.

Yes, QB did say (for what it's worth) that the bike would be "safe" to use. I'm with you the regular inspections though.

I suppose you could take the fact they the importers have no stocks either way- 1)As you imply why would you need replacement shocks for a new bike? or 2) being more cynical they are out of stock BECAUSE of the demand for replacements under warranty.

[Propellor]

I've spoken to QB this morning and was told REUK don't have the part in stock so it's presumably on back order from India. It's all beginning to sound a familiar story of the Japs in the 70' and 80's!

Frustrating to say the least. Difficult to contain anger, but, to be fair, an oem shock is probably not expected to be needed.

How do you feel about continuing to use the bike as is? If it was me (and it might be) I'd use it with very regular inspections I think. I think the preload would most likely still be fine, it's whether one can trust the stitch welds to hold.

Yes, QB did say (for what it's worth) that the bike would be "safe" to use. I'm with you the regular inspections though.

I suppose you could take the fact they the importers have no stocks either way- 1)As you imply why would you need replacement shocks for a new bike? or 2) being more cynical they are out of stock BECAUSE of the demand for replacements under warranty.

Or 1+2. 😂

I'm more inclined towards 1, but if mine proves to have the same issue I'll swerve to 2.

[Moto63]

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I definitely see what you did there 🙄😁

[Ian]

Hi all, I have been reading this thread with great interest regarding the build quality, poor design etc. The reason being is that I bought  Honda GB350S in May (after a horrendous experience with Triumph and the Speed400 but that's another story). Anyway, I was putting the Honda in the garage very carefully after a couple of months of ownership and I noticed that it was leaning a "little more than usual". I took it back to Staffs Honda, and one of the workshop guys said the side stand fork had d flared out a bit. Not the news you want to hear on a new bike. Anyway the new parts (side stand, spring, bolt and locknut have arrived and will be fitted this week. They are going to measure the hole in the frame, god knows what will happen if it's worn or elongated!.
My thoughts are that the bike proudly bears a "Made in Japan" on its down tube and it's frame number starts with a J again denoting Japanese built bike. However the new side stand came in all wrapped up in a sealed bag marked "Made in India"
Make of it what you want but it doesn't fill one with confidence especially with the RE suspension story going on here.
Ian

[xbally]

Hi all, I have been reading this thread with great interest regarding the build quality, poor design etc. The reason being is that I bought  Honda GB350S in May (after a horrendous experience with Triumph and the Speed400 but that's another story). Anyway, I was putting the Honda in the garage very carefully after a couple of months of ownership and I noticed that it was leaning a "little more than usual". I took it back to Staffs Honda, and one of the workshop guys said the side stand fork had d flared out a bit. Not the news you want to hear on a new bike. Anyway the new parts (side stand, spring, bolt and locknut have arrived and will be fitted this week. They are going to measure the hole in the frame, god knows what will happen if it's worn or elongated!.
My thoughts are that the bike proudly bears a "Made in Japan" on its down tube and it's frame number starts with a J again denoting Japanese built bike. However the new side stand came in all wrapped up in a sealed bag marked "Made in India"
Make of it what you want but it doesn't fill one with confidence especially with the RE suspension story going on here.
Ian

That's interesting Ian.
I was looking at the Triumph 400 at the same time as the Guerrilla450 but as there's no longer a dealer near me I couldn't easily get a test ride. There's a Honda dealer not far away with a branch which sells Triumphs some distance from me but I was told I'd have to go to the further shop if I wanted a test ride so I didn't bother. What really put me off was a friend I have who used to be in the trade who told me not to bother with the Triumph due to the alleged poor build quality from the factories outside the UK.
As you and others on here have said -it seems corners are being cut to keep the price of these bikes down.
I've commented previously that I've owned quite a few Indian built Enfields and while they're generally they're a bit quirky over the years the build quality has improved a lot but my recent experience with the rear shock on my Gueurrilla does call into question how far these companies are prepared to compromise on price versus safety.

[Moto63]

(after a horrendous experience with Triumph and the Speed400 but that's another story).
Ian

Morning Ian. Sorry to hear about your side stand woes. As you say, not something you’d expect from a brand new, Japanese built Honda 🤦. Best of luck with it and as always, keep us posted on any developments 🤞
Please tell more on your speed 400 woes. We have a very good mate who’s just bought one brand new. His first brand new bike since 1978, which was a GS750
He’s loving it so far, and as far as I’m aware has had no issues with it whatsoever. However, if there’s some he should maybe looking out for it would be good to have an heads up on it.
Cheers, Michael

[Propellor]

Hi y'all.

As I see it the manufacturer carries the burden of responsibility, regardless which country individual parts are made. Components will fall into 2 categories (that I can bring to mind), those made to the manufacturer specifications, in the form of an engineering drawing and those bought in as proprietary items, like for example a shock absorber or a chain or battery etc etc. With these items the manufacturer of the motorcycle may or may not have a hand in the specification. In all these scenarios surely we should direct any criticism of quality control towards the motorcycle manufacturer. For example, if the packet says "made in India", so what? I say is it made to the engineering drawing?

The problems I've encountered over the Royal Enfields I've owned in more recent years have all been proprietary items. Thankfully very cheap ones in the grand scheme. Specifically batteries and chains. Neither of which were made by Royal Enfield. Both easily and cheaply remidied.

We're talking about extremely cheap bikes, comparatively, so we should except a fair chunk of value engineering to have been applied. What I hope is not to experience a disaster as a result of over zealous value engineering. Rather, that the machines naturally have limitations compared to a machine twice the price, but ultimately offer good value. So far, touch wood, Royal Enfield have more than met that requirement. Fingers crossed. Enjoy the bikes peeps 😁😎