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Club House => Chatter => Topic started by: Richard on October 05, 2009, 09:52:03 PM
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I know most of you don't like it, but I do and what do you reckon to these as an alternative to Barbour, Belstaff or Chequered Flag
http://www.peregrineclothing.co.uk/acatalog/Jackets.html
http://www.chequeredflags.co.uk/
Richard
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Having watched 'Keeping up appearances' for many years , I did wonder what Mr & Mrs Buckets son,Peregrine, was doing now.
Thanks Richard, you've answered my question.
Rob .
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Makes me wonder what the secret ingredient is in Belstaff kit that makes it so expensive. Apart from "the name" there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference in the ones that I've had a look at.
Jez
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I did wonder what Mr & Mrs Buckets son,Peregrine, was doing now.
Surely you mean Sheridan!
Oh dear - how sad am I?
Trevor
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That's the fella ;)
Peregrine was that Reggy fella , took all his kit off and ran into the sea. Boss called CJ , with a flatulent armchair. >:(
Rob
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That was Perrin... ;D
The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin - wonderful with Leonard Rossiter, utter pants with Martin Clunes
Nearly made his name Colin Cowpat as I remember.
R
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It shows how out of touch I am, I thought £159 was expensive... and you say this is cheaper than a Belstaff? My first Belstaff came from a catalogue and my mum paid it off over about two million weeks. ;)
GC
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A shop advert in this months Classic Bike, Belstaff Trialsmaster waxed cotton jacket £379.99!! Or you could always go for the Belstaff "Long Way Down" jacket in Cordura (Ooooh!) for the bargain price of £599.99. I know the cheaper jackets are probably slung together in China, like most things nowadays, but Belstaff's used to be reasonably priced. I did see some Belstaff leather jackets in T K Maxx the other week(sad I know) and they were knocked down from £640 to £320, still too bloody expensive for what they were, thin leather and more of a fashion jacket than a bike jacket.
Jez
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Belstaff went trendy some years ago, I know this because my brother bought one and he couldn't ride a bike to save his life.
Barbour went much the same way.
The Peregrine branded one is apparently made in the UK but not trendy at all. Can't grumble at the price either. My Belstaff cost £99 or thereabouts in 1980. Uses 12oz Cotton too which is heavy stuff.
When the current nylon Lidl jacket wears out I may go for it.
Richard
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Belstaff are owned (if I remember rightly) by one of the fashion houses and is seen as a legacy brand with all the kudos of the bike background etc.
It is no longer a motorcycle brand.
Mind compare Drizabone stockman jackets and cheaper options. 50% of the price and 20% of the weight...
R
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Digging this one back out I know but thought I'd better report in.
I too have been considering a wax cotton jacket and liked the look of the Peregrine one in Richard's thread. DON'T BOTHER! The Peregrine one is a fashion item only and bugger all use to a motorcyclist (IMHO) Mine is going straight back!
Too be fair, the guy there was very nice about it and the service when ordering was great. But this is not a motorbike jacket, not by a long way.
Next one I'm trying is made by a guy in the midlands. Brand name is 'Claymore' Feedback is good and they've even had a mention in MCN (for all that's worth). Shall report back once it turns up. I have to wait 2 weeks as they are made to order. Mrs Squirrel has to measure me first. I've told her, even though it's a jacket, they need to know my inside leg measurement ;)
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..... Mrs Squirrel has to measure me first. I've told her, even though it's a jacket, they need to know my inside leg measurement ;)
Aye Pat,
Waxed cotton contraceptives, rather than sheepskin? ::)
My apologies, I've lowered the tone, but couldn't resist after the other thread! :-[
Nadger.
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Has anyone had a look at the cheap ones on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-English-Wax-Cotton-Classic-Motorcycle-Jacket-Blk-XL_W0QQitemZ290397179787QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Clothing?hash=item439d054f8b
and
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wax-Cotton-Oilskin-Motorcycle-Motorbike-Jacket-BLACK_W0QQitemZ280451378144QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMen_s_Clothes?var=&hash=item870ac5d7b9
I understand the build quality/cut will vary compared to the named brands but I have asked and received replies that they are 12oz material which I believe is the same as the Belstaff ones I've looked at whereas others are as low as 6oz, 8oz and 10oz. Surely they must be worth a look.......or not?
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Belstaff was going bust and was bought up by an Italian designer who is a mad keen motorbike nut. Business is now run by his son, who is a mad keen motorbike nut. No longer made in the UK, but in Italy, but the material is still mades especially for Belstaff and is a particulaly high quality and expensive raw material.
I guess there is a premium on them, but they are not just waxed cotton - cannot remember what it is about the material, but it was unique to them in the original form and as far as I understand still is.
R
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Belstaff was going bust and was bought up by an Italian designer who is a mad keen motorbike nut. Business is now run by his son, who is a mad keen motorbike nut. No longer made in the UK, but in Italy, but the material is still mades especially for Belstaff and is a particulaly high quality and expensive raw material.
I guess there is a premium on them, but they are not just waxed cotton - cannot remember what it is about the material, but it was unique to them in the original form and as far as I understand still is.
R
Oh ???
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So has anybody seen the Chequered Flag one then ?
Richard
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Gentlemen,
For the edification of those with a penchant for militaria, waxed cotton, naval history, British invention and motorcycling history including the late Steve McQueen in the ISDT.
Please go to this 'blogg' and have a look at the entry dated 30/12/2009. Will we ever see there like again?
'Ursula suit' (http://www.thevintageshowroom.com/)
On the same 'blogg' you might also care to read the entry for 16/11/2009 at the bottom.
Toodle pip, Bill.
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Superb article , thanks for posting it.
So this is the origin of the waxed cotton motorcycle jacket:
(http://thevintageshowroom.com/uploaded_images/ursula-779393.jpg)
GC
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Aye GC,
I thought it would be colloquial lingo to you! ;) Glad you enjoyed the article.
Bill.
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And thank you for telling us about the repro Royal Navy sweaters... now I've got something else to lust after ::) ::) ::) ::)
GC
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Excellent !
Richard
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And thank you for telling us about the repro Royal Navy sweaters... now I've got something else to lust after ::) ::) ::) ::)
GC
Aye Gc,
Count the beans first!
Then investigate the costs of providing oiled wool + pattern, to a family member who produces chain link fencing using crowbars and mild steel wire. They will find the lanolin soothing to the hands! ::)
Cheery, cheery, Bill.
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A bit about how Belstaff became a fashion brand, rather than a memory.
Clicky Thingy to Internet (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/features/how-did-an-oldfashioned-british-manufacturer-of-motorbike-clobber-become-the-label-of-choice-for-the-hollywood-set-1859743.html)
R
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Two of the nicest pieces of bike clothing I have/had were Belstaff. A simple black leather jacket bought from the BMF back when you could get bargains, and a one piece nylon oversuit. The jacket bit the dust in a crash back in 2000 and had to be cut off me, but the oversuit still lives on, and still works.
Anyway, whilst that is nothing to do with wax cotton, I was looking at riding coats on the weekend. You definitely get what you pay for. A friend used to have a Drizabone coat and swore by it.
Thanks for the blog find Mr Moudie, I enjoyed reading it.
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This is the one I'm going for.
http://www.oldrogue.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4
Guy seems really nice, lets hope his product is.
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Am I that old that I'm the only one to laugh at the 'Long Hampton' jacket???
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Belstaff material is not at all exclusive to belstaff. The material belstaff uses is what british millerain call (CHERA 6).
The weight is 270 grams per meter and cost £4 per linear meter. this can be checked out with british millerain.
CHERA 6 is made to order (ONLY) when they stock has ran out but anyone can purchase a 50m roll from british millerain at the moment.
Claymore Jackets are made from CHERA 8 which is 375 grams per meter. The difference in price between the two materials is a grand price of 25p per meter.
Claymore Jackets are all made to order and will stand up to belstaff any day of the week. The quality control of claymore is much harsher than belstaff because there a very small company and are just starting out.
I see that there's a couple of links for some cheap wax cotton motorcycle jackets for £59 on ebay in the forum, these sellers state that there made in england. I aways remember Delboy asking what he could smell, (BULLSHIT). These jackets are 100% made in china. it takes 15 hours alone to make a wax cotton belstaff style jacket. these people offer free postage and have to pay ebay and paypal fees on top. its not rocket science. The wonder of ebay!!.
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Let me know how it goes Pat, I could be interested in a new International jacket if they're good (no offence Mr Claymore!)
Edited to add, does he (do you!?) do the international trousers?
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Me too. Are they available anywhwere for a shufti ?
Richard
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ditto
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Belstaff material is not at all exclusive to belstaff. The material belstaff uses is what british millerain call (CHERA 6).
The weight is 270 grams per meter and cost £4 per linear meter. this can be checked out with british millerain.
CHERA 6 is made to order (ONLY) when they stock has ran out but anyone can purchase a 50m roll from british millerain at the moment.
Claymore Jackets are made from CHERA 8 which is 375 grams per meter. The difference in price between the two materials is a grand price of 25p per meter.
Claymore Jackets are all made to order and will stand up to belstaff any day of the week. The quality control of claymore is much harsher than belstaff because there a very small company and are just starting out.
I see that there's a couple of links for some cheap wax cotton motorcycle jackets for £59 on ebay in the forum, these sellers state that there made in england. I aways remember Delboy asking what he could smell, (BULL*******). These jackets are 100% made in china. it takes 15 hours alone to make a wax cotton belstaff style jacket. these people offer free postage and have to pay ebay and paypal fees on top. its not rocket science. The wonder of ebay!!.
Hi There
Thanks for that I stand corrected and better educated.
Sound comment on the £60 'Made in Britain' jackets. Also the point on the 15 hours to make a jacket gives some indication as to the reason why quality kit costs.
Thanks again
R
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Just had a nice mail from Carl Wilson of Claymore stating that they were a small company making them to order and couldn't supply any to dealers for viewing.
Wonder if we know anybody who has one ?
Richard
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With any luck Carl Wilson will hurry mine along and I'll report in personally ;D
If your reading this carl, over to you matey ;D
(knew I should have asked for a commission :'()
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So, how do they justify offering an option for a Claymore jacket with a Belstaff label in it for an additional £5 ?....... :-\
that don't seem right to me ???
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Gullible Italian women?
Business is business in the 'rag trade', my Grandfather was in it, running a tailoring factory and some of the tales are not for this forum!
However, I shall be keeping a 'watching brief'. Oh, by the way.........! ::)
Cheery, cheery, Bill.
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Its sad really, we sell more jackets with the belstaff logo's than with our own labels.
99% of people still want to be associated with belstaff rather than a new brand.
they quite happy wearing the new brand but they don't want anything to do with the brand name itself.
UK culture i suppose. (GOT TO HAVE THAT KNOWN BRAND NAME TO IMPRESS PEOPLE). To me, it just show's me how stupid people can be.
Thats how i justify charging a fiver for the belstaff logo's, cheap at half the price when you think about it!!.
i will purchase your jacket as long as its got someone elses logo on it???????.
sad world we live in.
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I couldn't agree more, and motorcyclists are particularly brand susceptible.
So hurry up and finish Pats jacket so I can have a look and decide to buy one. I'll have a Claymore though.
Richard
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we sell more jackets with the belstaff logo's than with our own labels.
Just to satisfy my curiosity, don't Belstaff mind ? You see a lot of Belstaff listings on Ebay that disappear half way through the listing. I always assumed they came from the Far East & were copies & that someone cared.
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ebay is full of fake belstaff and other brands, this is how ebay got where it is today by allowing this. even now ebay themselfs will not take a listing down unless you are part of there VERO programme. (rights owner). basically any brand name on ebay has to be treated with caution, from a gas lighter to a tin of paint. 99.9% of people don't have a clue what they are buying and never will but there's always that one who does. the vast market in fakes has to be bigger than the genuine items.
Anyone thinking about these chequeredflags,,,,,ain't this the same as the one on ebay for £49.99. MADE IN CHINA. I see the same white silk scarf in the picture and its an identical jacket!!!.. check the 2 links out below.
http://www.chequeredflags.co.uk/
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wax-Cotton-Oilskin-Motorcycle-Jacket-coat-BLACK-MEDIUM_W0QQitemZ280451979118QQcategoryZ3002QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D40%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54
this is another ebayer trying to CON YOU. goes by the user name of campbellcooper01
same identical jacket as chequeredflags
check the link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Wax-Cotton-Oilskin-British-Motorcycle-Jacket-M_W0QQitemZ350311972063QQcategoryZ30222QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DMRU-11450%252BUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D40%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54
I hope you have a great big scarf for that gap in the neck
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I'll be holding off buying my wax jacket until I see the results here.
Claymore is talking the talk, should be a good jacket.
What is the discount for TC members?
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I'll be holding off buying my wax jacket until I see the results here.
Claymore is talking the talk, should be a good jacket.
What is the discount for TC members?
I really should have gone for a commission :'( Bu99er!
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Just have to be satisfied with being a trend setter - oh and the free jacket that apears about Christmas, with thanks, for all the trade push their way through here.
We could give the jacket to GC and he could store it in his Garage and then sell it in 5 years time, or give it to me and I could take it apart with great plans to put Drizabone sleves and Barbour collar onto the base, and never get round to it....
I am also interested in seeing the outcome
R
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Well my jacket's arrived and I'm very pleased. The quality of the needlework is excellent and it feels like a solid, robust piece of kit. Can't say about the weatherproofing as I managed to dodge every shower today ::).
The other thing to mention is the service offered. Did have an issue with the collar being tight. Carl was a star. No hassle, no arguement, just sent the jacket back and he turned it around in under a week (the neck size is not a measurement you are asked for when ordering BTW). Even sewed on a club badge on the sleeve FOC.
I ordered the mojave jacket, which is short and fitted and might not be to everyones liking. Can't say about the other styles other than I have no doubt about the quality.
Bring on the rain ;D
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Good to hear Pat, I'll keep a eye out for you in the mornings ;)
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Thanks Pat,
I'll look forward to reading an update, once you've been irrigated! ;D
One third of the gardening squad, Bill.
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Well my jacket's arrived and I'm very pleased. The quality of the needlework is excellent and it feels like a solid, robust piece of kit. Can't say about the weatherproofing as I managed to dodge every shower today ::).
The other thing to mention is the service offered. Did have an issue with the collar being tight. Carl was a star. No hassle, no arguement, just sent the jacket back and he turned it around in under a week (the neck size is not a measurement you are asked for when ordering BTW). Even sewed on a club badge on the sleeve FOC. I ordered the mojave jacket, which is short and fitted and might not be to everyones liking. Can't say about the other styles other than I have no doubt about the quality.
Bring on the rain ;D
Obviously going to be a problem if you're built like a Sontarun.
Rob.
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I ordered the mojave jacket, which is short and fitted and might not be to everyones liking. Can't say about the other styles other than I have no doubt about the quality.
This one then:
(http://www.oldrogue.co.uk/images/uploads/DSCF1652.JPG)
Very nice
Claymore website (http://www.oldrogue.co.uk/index.php)
GC
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Well my jacket's arrived and I'm very pleased. The quality of the needlework is excellent and it feels like a solid, robust piece of kit. Can't say about the weatherproofing as I managed to dodge every shower today ::).
The other thing to mention is the service offered. Did have an issue with the collar being tight. Carl was a star. No hassle, no arguement, just sent the jacket back and he turned it around in under a week (the neck size is not a measurement you are asked for when ordering BTW). Even sewed on a club badge on the sleeve FOC.
I ordered the mojave jacket, which is short and fitted and might not be to everyones liking. Can't say about the other styles other than I have no doubt about the quality.
Bring on the rain ;D
Pat, could you give us an update on how the jacket is doing.
I'll be looking for something waxed cotton soon.
Ta, Mark.
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Well my jacket's arrived and I'm very pleased. The quality of the needlework is excellent and it feels like a solid, robust piece of kit. Can't say about the weatherproofing as I managed to dodge every shower today ::).
The other thing to mention is the service offered. Did have an issue with the collar being tight. Carl was a star. No hassle, no arguement, just sent the jacket back and he turned it around in under a week (the neck size is not a measurement you are asked for when ordering BTW). Even sewed on a club badge on the sleeve FOC.
I ordered the mojave jacket, which is short and fitted and might not be to everyones liking. Can't say about the other styles other than I have no doubt about the quality.
Bring on the rain ;D
Pat, could you give us an update on how the jacket is doing.
I'll be looking for something waxed cotton soon.
Ta, Mark.
Gimp Mask ?
Jethro
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Well my jacket's arrived and I'm very pleased. The quality of the needlework is excellent and it feels like a solid, robust piece of kit. Can't say about the weatherproofing as I managed to dodge every shower today ::).
The other thing to mention is the service offered. Did have an issue with the collar being tight. Carl was a star. No hassle, no arguement, just sent the jacket back and he turned it around in under a week (the neck size is not a measurement you are asked for when ordering BTW). Even sewed on a club badge on the sleeve FOC.
I ordered the mojave jacket, which is short and fitted and might not be to everyones liking. Can't say about the other styles other than I have no doubt about the quality.
Bring on the rain ;D
Pat, could you give us an update on how the jacket is doing.
I'll be looking for something waxed cotton soon.
Ta, Mark.
Gimp Mask ?
Jethro
Wax cotton gimp mask, haven't seen one of those before. Does it work?. ;D
I would't have to fix my shed roof then, just let the gimp hang there in all weather.
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Sorry guys I should have followed this one up.
Quality is superb, it's a well put together piece of kit that feels like it will last for years. Very comfy and quite warm and wind proof. I went for the shorter Mojave jacket which is a snug fit and has little room for jumpers, but never the less is ok with a thin(ish) fleece on underneath. The company are great to deal with and seem like really decent people. Only fly on an otherwise faultless picture is the jacket leaks like a sieve! On a 20 mile ride at 60mph in moderate rain, water comes in through the elbows, waist band and neck. Seems OK if I get caught in a brief shower, so It's one up on my old leather jacket, but it can't really be labelled as waterproof. I haven't complained to Claymore as I still would have the jacket and sort of half expected it to leak anyway. I intend to try treating it but am sooooo busy at the moment I just haven't got round to it.
To summarise, a great bit of kit supplied by a great little business.....Just don't expect it to keep you dry for long. ;D
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Aye Pat,
That is disappointing! :( 'Nother fashion statement then! :-X Sorry, it's the curmudgeon in me! ;)
Perhaps you might use some of this for a product test for us? Nikwax wax cotton proofer. (http://www.nikwax.com/en-gb/products/productdetail.php?productid=71&activityid=-1&itemid=-1&fabricid=-1)
N.B. This is not the same as their Nikwax Cotton proofer!
Personally, I'd be tempted to go down the Waxoyl application route with a paint brush and then work in with a 'rubber' like French polishing! But won't give you the 'dry' finish and will leave marks on the cream leather 3-piece suite of the mother-in-law!!!!! ;D But you would stay dry for a bit and the odour in front of the warm camp fire theraputic. ;D
Toodle pip, Bill.
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Wouldn't say this is a 'fashion item' Bill. The design is spot on for bikey application, just ain't waterproof. I did wonder if the leaks start with the stitching? Maybe the needle punctures might be a way in for the water (??) Thanks for the tip on nikwax BTW, that's the route I'll be going down when I get the time.
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DIY Wax Cotton proofer mix is 10:1 Paraffin wax to Beeswax. Melt down in a bain marie and mix together. Apply, place garment above a hot radiatior or similar and consider re-proofing.
Works.
Or buy the Barbour product for a lot more money.
Richard
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Ta Richard,
Used to use red deer fat from around the internal organs, that really works.
Beeman, do you have a recipe?
Regards, Bill.
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Beeman, do you have a recipe?
Regards, Bill.
No honey. :)
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Have the seams been sealed? If the garment is made from wax cotton rather than being made and ten waxed the needle holes and seams leak, they need sealing. A wax candle rubbed along them can work - but can leave a mess too. Mind you get to go in some interesting shops looking for black wax candles.
R
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That's a real shame about the leaking, I was very much considering a wax set for the winter as I'm sick of gore tex.
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That's a real shame about the leaking, I was very much considering a wax set for the winter as I'm sick of gore tex.
You wont like Wax Cotton then !!!!!!
Jethro
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Sorry guys I should have followed this one up.
Quality is superb, it's a well put together piece of kit that feels like it will last for years. Very comfy and quite warm and wind proof. I went for the shorter Mojave jacket which is a snug fit and has little room for jumpers, but never the less is ok with a thin(ish) fleece on underneath. The company are great to deal with and seem like really decent people. Only fly on an otherwise faultless picture is the jacket leaks like a sieve! On a 20 mile ride at 60mph in moderate rain, water comes in through the elbows, waist band and neck. Seems OK if I get caught in a brief shower, so It's one up on my old leather jacket, but it can't really be labelled as waterproof. I haven't complained to Claymore as I still would have the jacket and sort of half expected it to leak anyway. I intend to try treating it but am sooooo busy at the moment I just haven't got round to it.
To summarise, a great bit of kit supplied by a great little business.....Just don't expect it to keep you dry for long. ;D
Sorry Pat.
I would have taken a far less relaxed view. Part of our problem is that we accept something which is not right and compromise. This jacket may look great but it's not fit for purpose. If you don't give Claymore feed back then how will they improve. I love the look of the Mojave jacket, but it would be Belstaff for me. Despite the cost it's clearly the better product. Yes we have all had waxed kit before. I used to treat mine once a year before the onset of winter. It was water proof. However as a new jacket I would have had a reasonable expectation that it would have worked.
As for the size, cut down on the pies and you will get some more kit on underneath. ;D
Alternativley, pop to Steffans for instant weight loss. :D :D
Rob.
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That's a real shame about the leaking, I was very much considering a wax set for the winter as I'm sick of gore tex.
You wont like Wax Cotton then !!!!!!
Jethro
Somewhere in the loft are my dads old wax cotton overmitts. I used to use them, his old Belstaff wax jacket and some surplus trousers for my winterproofs. Thing is, Gore tex is a real crappy product. Bare with me. Because of the way it's constructed, the outer layer has to be loose to allow the gore tex to breathe, problem is, this outer layer doesn't shed the water, rather it soaks it up, meaning that whilst you may be dry inside, your outer is soaked. Should you have the misfortune to take the clothing off for a while, leave it for a few hours, then put it back on, you'll find it now feels wet and clammy on the inside. Sucks.
I was hoping that with regular treatment, a wax jacket would see me sorted and I could sell off the gore tex stuff. The other kit of interest is the Halvarssons stuff, but anyway, enough topic drift...
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Don't listen to those who rant against the wax. Excellent stuff, just takes a bit of living with and waxing up in a warm place. Improves with wearing, bit like many TC members.
If I ever get any spare cash I'll be investing in another.
Richard
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Huh ? I have one of the cheap Campbellcooper ones from ebay that were slagged off by the maker of the leaky jacket
I bought it in 2003, I've worn it in all weathers, haven't reproofed it, and it still doesn't leak.
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I invested in Halverssons kit.....very excellent ;D
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I've ordered the £99 one from chequered flag, so we'll see. This is almost scientific testing :o!
I've worn the Drizabone on all my winter runs over a few miles and am impressed. I used a waxed shooting jacket as my first ever bit of bike kit. This means I'm used to two things. First of all I expect the annual boil/paint on/get nostrills fumigated/go to the pub until the house is habitable again/spend a week chipping wax of the kitchen table/don't sit on auntie Maud's white ermine sofa routine. These things are more work.
Secondly I expect to be dry. The first thing I did when I switched to Goretex (early stages of Toura**** syndrome) in the late HHhhhmmmm's, was to bin my rain suit. I used to ride in the waxed jacket and leather trousers until I either got where I was going or found a convienient spot to put the PVC on. I could ride hundreds of miles without the PVC trousers, but PVC is very very easy to dry compared to treated leather trousers. My expectations of Goretex were dashed in Norway, 3000 miles wearing bin bags and cut up marigolds UNDER the jacket and trousers to keep dry. There were two factors at play, the outer getting dirty (tends to happen on dirt roads) and fashion over function collar and cuff designs. I ended up with a PVC one piece oversuit which while 100% effective is a PITA to put on, find your wallet in, can't be worn off the bike without cooking you etc. etc.
Unlike Horrible Gherkin, Drizabone know how to design a collar and cuffs and sat on an outfit the leg bit mean I can go all day in showers without resort to the plastic. My plan for the summer is to combine the Belstaff type coat with kevlar jeans and have a shower proof set up for the odd ride to the coast. The one piece will be staying for days when it tips it down.
I guess I'm going to be easier to please than some here. The good news is that using the melt and paint or spray on stuff, wax cotton can IMHO get very close to that perfect kit where you can bin the rain suit.
Andy
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To be fair, my aerstitch has been a good buy, I sent it stateside for repair and if washed and retreated once a year keeps me dry.
I must say that the wax cotton has a more romantic appeal.
Steffan
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Huh ? I have one of the cheap Campbellcooper ones from ebay that were slagged off by the maker of the leaky jacket
I bought it in 2003, I've worn it in all weathers, haven't reproofed it, and it still doesn't leak.
Good enough review for me, just ordered one.
Mark
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My chequered flag version arrived on Saturday so only done a few miles. Comments to date are:
It looks and feels like a hundred quid jacket, no dodgy stitching or bits that'll obviously drop off (unlike my last purchase from the Goretex people).
It's been treated, feels waxy/oily.
The sizing is the generous size of spot on. I'm a 41" chest so went for a large. Arm length is spot on but the collar is going to need a scarf/buff type thing to seal (I am not built like a Sontaran (and didn't the new daleks look very 80's, sorry, OT) ;D). I'd bet a medium would have fit me but it is course better to have space underneath for a jumper. This is one of the few pieces of clothing I own where I'm using the shorter end of the hole options on the belt :-X
So, happy so far.
Andy
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....This is one of the few pieces of clothing I own where I'm using the shorter end of the hole options on the belt :-X
So, happy so far.
Andy
It's your age darling! ;)
Toodle pip, Bill.
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I haven't complained to Claymore as I still would have the jacket and sort of half expected it to leak anyway. I intend to try treating it but am sooooo busy at the moment I just haven't got round to it.
To summarise, a great bit of kit supplied by a great little business.....Just don't expect it to keep you dry for long. ;D
That's weird Pat because I spoke to them today - I didn't mention your experience - but he assured me they are "100% waterproof."
Steffan
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All I can say is mine leaked after 15 minutes of wet riding. If your considering buying, ask him what guarantee he provides against leaks [ie full cash refund]. I will get round to proofing it one day, but in the mean time I'm back to carrying waterproofs.
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Just received my budget £60 Cambell Cooper jacket, good torso fit, collar fastens a bit loose as do the cuffs.
Looks ok but been a long time since I had my Belstaff for comparison. No reinforced elbows or shoulders.
Just need it to rain now!
Mark.
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Just received my budget £60 Cambell Cooper jacket, good torso fit, collar fastens a bit loose as do the cuffs.
Looks ok but been a long time since I had my Belstaff for comparison. No reinforced elbows or shoulders.
Just need it to rain now!
Mark.
A Golden Shower or two......!!
Jethro
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Just received my budget £60 Cambell Cooper jacket, good torso fit, collar fastens a bit loose as do the cuffs.
Looks ok but been a long time since I had my Belstaff for comparison. No reinforced elbows or shoulders.
Just need it to rain now!
Mark.
A Golden Shower or two......!!
Jethro
Ooh, does that mean I'll then be a Hells Angel.
Mark.
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Unlike Horrible Gherkin, Drizabone know how to design a collar and cuffs and sat on an outfit the leg bit mean I can go all day in showers without resort to the plastic. My plan for the summer is to combine the Belstaff type coat with kevlar jeans and have a shower proof set up for the odd ride to the coast. The one piece will be staying for days when it tips it down.
Andy, does the Drizabone have the leg straps on the jacket to stop them blowing open?
@Mark no you won't be HA, you'll just smell a bit worse (?)
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Yes but remember they are designed for 14 mph not 85. Mine have been strengthened.
Andy
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Just a bump really to see if there were anymore triers and advisers coming through on this, prompted by Bill's remark on the SunStuff clothing (http://www.sunstuffclassics.com/index.html) offered by Hitchcocks.
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Bought one of those £55 ones of ebay 8 months use and very happy with it for the price.
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Aye shedbrewed, I've added a link at the original posting in 'For Sale'.
Regards, Bill.
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Love my £95 off E-bay one.
Andy
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Yes but remember they are designed for 14 mph not 85. Mine have been strengthened.
Andy
Aye Andy,
HOW?? ???????????????
Pray, do tell all!!!! :o :o
My regards, Bill. :)
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Sew patchs over where the leg straps join the coat, then treat with waterproofing spray. Simples.
Andy
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I recently bought a jacket from Chequered Flag, they are currently selling a black Trialmaster style jacket on ebay at a very reasonable £89. Here's my quick review;
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5279400/Wearing/Chequered%20Flag%20Jacket.jpg)
I wasn't sure what to expect for this price tag - But actually the jacket is really nice. It's a heavyweight 12 Oz wax cotton with a check lining that's exactly the same pattern as my Barbour International. The fit is good - not tailored but equally not too baggy. It has all the features you'd expect from a Belstaff Trialmaster, four main pockets, a zipped inside pocket, adjustable cuffs and buckle and strap at the neck plus shoulder and elbow patches. As for it's ability to keep the rain out, well I wore it on the bike through a 40 minute rain shower and it kept me dry !
What don't I like about it ? Well not much really, the press studs are shiny brass yet the buckles are antique, so it's a shame they didn't use antique all round. Also the press studs don't feel quite as good quality as my Barbour Intl, they spin around on the fabric rather than being stamped firmly on - that said they don't feel at all like they are likely to fall off. A nice detail is it also has two mesh vent studs under each arm.
Another feature is the interchangeable flag option on the left breast pocket - again a nod to Belstaff. Basically you get a selection of flags; Union jack, Stars & Stripes, Welsh, Scottish and Irish which use velcro to attach them to the tag under the pocket. But quite why anyone would want to fly the welsh flag is beyond me u k fl ag
The shoulder and elbow patches, well again being picky, but it would be nice if these were double stitched like a Belstaff rather than just single.
I've worn the jacket solidly over the past month and I have to say I'm loving it - It just feels solid. This jacket is the cheapest in the Speedwear range but I have say it certainly doesn't feel budget. They also sell a de-luxe 'Continental in Black or Brown (£169) and that has a zip-out liner and pockets for armour - So you can get some extra insulation and protection for a bit more cash.
Here's the ebay link if anyones interested;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Wax-Cotton-Vintage-Style-Motorcycle-Jacket-/301011460273?pt=UK_Men_s_Coats_Jackets&var=&hash=item8bbcaebe7d (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Wax-Cotton-Vintage-Style-Motorcycle-Jacket-/301011460273?pt=UK_Men_s_Coats_Jackets&var=&hash=item8bbcaebe7d)