Thanks Ian.No you haven't missed the point.I don't know why but once -long ago-when i was attempting to replace both shocks on a twin shock bike (i think it was a Kawasaki 250 or 400 triple),when i removed the second of the shocks,after having removed the first ,the back end collapsed-fortunately without any damage or injury.Ever since then i have been very wary of removing both shocks at the same time!I think this has got to be the way to go.So far iv'e tried both doing it on the centre stand and jacked up off the ecentre satnd and with one shock still on i can't quite get the 2 mounts level to put the fixings in.It's not helped by the poor access to the lower mounting points due to the silencers being in the way.I'm reluctant to take off the exhaust as it's very corroded and i'm envisaging stripped threads and fasteners which shear off.Both the old and new shocks are the same length but obviously the old ones will have wear in them as well as the lack of damping oil.