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johnr

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Re: I wonder....
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2019, 08:09:04 PM »
Yes myself n big bro (propellor) looked at building one back in the 90's after I'd seen this guy in his. The kits were from a company called lomax. Did a few different styles and at the time they weren't overly expensive. Alas..like you say John, nothing seems cheap anymore. 😥😥
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Ps... we never did build one. 😥😥

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Re: I wonder....
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2019, 08:11:40 PM »
dont know where my post went there!
lomax kits were based on cx and st1100 honda motors werent they?

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Re: I wonder....
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2019, 05:45:02 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2019, 07:16:08 AM »
Just type in "lomax kit car" in to google then bring up the images page. Loads ovvem to have a look at. I have to say tho that on reflection, the old spitfire pilot I bumped into had done a better job, looks wise at least, probably cheaper to going on what he said at the time.

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2019, 02:07:05 PM »
 I remember when I was a kid, about 1964, and used to sit on the kerb down our road (collecting car numbers), a lady over the road drove her new car past. It was a white Daf 33 (i think that was the model). It made a strange whining sound which was of course the variomatic transmission.
Volvo took over Daf and used it in their smaller cars. It was built by a subsidiary of Volvo but later taken over by Bosch .
That technology was later used and updated by Ford and Fiat in their auto transmissions in their smaller cars.
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2019, 03:56:57 PM »
The earliest example of the idea I have seen is on a Rudge Multi.

I used to work in industrial mechanical power transmission and the company I worked for manufactured industrial geared motors which used this same idea. The range of units went up to some quite high power ratings as well.
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2019, 04:06:48 PM »
If anyone can shed any light on who invented the transmission on the Rudge Multi I'd be interested. To my knowledge it seems to be the exact same idea as the van doorne system used in the DAF cars?
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2019, 06:31:38 PM »
Sorry can't help with the Rudge transmission thing... However.  TRI KING, that's was the three wheeler  that was based around the CX500 or moto guzzi engine John. It's been bugging me all day, then the name just came to me.

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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2019, 09:55:25 PM »
Perhaps this may clear the muddy water a bit.
Van Doorne always claim to have "invented" the system but I'm sure it will be discovered otherwise  ::)

https://www.classicmotorcycle.co.uk/judge-multi-2/

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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2019, 05:14:26 AM »
Thanks Ian. Interesting little read. I'd never heard about the zenith system. So, as is to be expected, there is sequence or succession of ideas leading to the "end" solution. Incremental change.

Van Doorne can have had nothing to do with the Rudge Multi design, yet to my eyes the idea is exactly the same. The rear wheel design on the Multi complicates things to the eye, but the basic principle is exactly the same.

So, did Van Doorne literally copy the Rudge idea? And who invented the design as found on the Rudge? 
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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2019, 06:35:16 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2019, 03:06:22 PM »
Interesting thread this. I vaguely remember my grandfather had one of those DAF cars. Only ever seen one since, at a classic car show. As for the Lomax, I had one for a couple of years. It had a lovely four spoke steering wheel from a 1930s sports car, and a few other quirks which escape me. I bought it for £3500, but didn't use it enough, so sold it a couple of years later for the same amount. I had a small book on the history of Lomax cars, but let it go with the car. Saw a couple at a local classic show recently, and they are worth about £5000, according to the owner I spoke too. I have a friend in NI with a similar type three wheeler called a Black jack. 2CV engined again, but more modern looking.
There were some amazing high end vintage cars, including Bentleys, Lagondas, and many specials at the recent Chateau Impney Hillclimb, near Droitwich There was full public access around the pits, and I found the owners very friendly to chat too, but you could almost 'smell the money'. Some serious machinery there, and a fantastic day out  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2019, 06:44:07 PM »
They look like a proper good fun car to drive Tim. Bet you a real hoot in it eh?

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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2019, 08:51:00 AM »
I keep meaning to go to Chateau Impney but always seem to miss it......
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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2019, 03:28:17 PM »
Re: the Variomatic" transmission and similar systems, it appears that there seems to be a certain amount of industrial espionage that has gone on plus both sides of the Atlantic seem to have developed their own version, albeit at different times. I dont think we will ever know how it all came to being really but someone must have had the original idea at some point.

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