Electric "motorcycles"

[Steve Lake]

having given it some thaught.... i'm going for an eclectic bike ...
you know the sort.... sourced from many different ideas and places.
also it comes with your very own philosopher, who sits on the pillion and tells you what to think

pip pip

[SteveC#222]

having given it some thaught.... i'm going for an eclectic bike ...
you know the sort.... sourced from many different ideas and places.
also it comes with your very own philosopher, who sits on the pillion and tells you what to think

pip pip

Ahh......a Bitza!

[themoudie]

Now, I'vs been pondering 😈 , what would a Malcolm Newall, 'Quasar', with carbon fibre frame and panels and the TT Zero winning bikes power pack installed, be like for an enclosed cell, electric motorcycle? 😕 I think it would have potential.

I can hear the wheels whirring already. 😆

My regards, Bill

[Propellor]

Now, I'vs been pondering 😈 , what would a Malcolm Newall, 'Quasar', with carbon fibre frame and panels and the TT Zero winning bikes power pack installed, be like for an enclosed cell, electric motorcycle? 😕 I think it would have potential.

I can hear the wheels whirring already. 😆

My regards, Bill

Hi Bill

Mono tracer have had that one covered (see what I did there) for a while.

https://peraves.wordpress.com/

Cheers

Andrew

[themoudie]

  thank you Andrew, NOW that will keep me amused for hours. A fellow tib and fib buster in hospital, will find it inspirational! 😊 With the state of his hands and arms as well 😨 he is going to need all the inspiration he can get. Also, was a good sprayer and powder coater as well. 😯

My regards, Bill

[Propellor]

Apparently passenger cars account for 12% of co2 emissions in the eu. I read this "fact" and wondered how much co2 is emitted by power generation, in the eu. Looks like 80%.

The eu are squaring up for tough pushes towards electric cars in 2021. But, assuming I've got my statistical "facts" right, can anyone else see a big snag in switching to electric cars without FIRST addressing the power generation issue? Maybe it's just me?

[CrazyFrog]

Apparently passenger cars account for 12% of co2 emissions in the eu. I read this "fact" and wondered how much co2 is emitted by power generation, in the eu. Looks like 80%.

The eu are squaring up for tough pushes towards electric cars in 2021. But, assuming I've got my statistical "facts" right, can anyone else see a big snag in switching to electric cars without FIRST addressing the power generation issue? Maybe it's just me?

Nope, it's not just you Andrew. I think they're relying on a very slow switchover to electric, though even then I've seen no firm plans for boosting power generation and updating the infrastructure. Maybe its a cynical box ticking excersise and they are relying in hydrogen fuel cell technology to come to the rescue, or maybe it's all just politicians flim flam...

[Andy M]

Given the fashion element and high value of automotive purchases I think they've naff all chance of a phased introduction. "Roll up, Roll up, Trade your OLD, Diesel for a nice NEW electric before the trade-in value drops....."

There will be a backlash when the power cuts make a few people late for work. " Roll up, Roll up, lovely Hybrids, no need to wait for the power to come back on...."

Power stations cost money, take years and no one queues up have one in their garden.

Andy

[timbo]

Why is the hydrogen cell not being pushed more, over electric? I know very little about it, but apparently existing service stations could be converted relatively easily, so the infrastructure is there already 

[Propellor]

Timbo- the hydrogen has to be manufactured, using power.

Andy- you're right, consumers are easier to goad/hoodwink/push around. Cars can be turned over relatively easily and generate a market. Plus, my appraisal of the statistics is far from accurate or complete, on reflection.

[timbo]

So, is hydrogen excessively expensive to produce compared to electricity? Just asking, as I don't know. Is there an explosion risk with hydrogen power?

[Andy M]

The infrastructure is a dream for sellers of elven safety, risk assesments, approved parts, certificates of conformity etc. Hydrogen is the most leaky substance possible and mixed with air is rocket fuel, so some of this is justified, but its a closed shop and prices reflect this. I've sold valves where the paperwork was 70% of what was charged. The only people you can charge more are the MOD.

The process of using electricity to turn sea water into fuel and then the fuel into motion seems to add a process. Each process has losses so it should be less efficient, but I don't know for sure. If the fuel cells are easier to make, last longer and are easier to recycle it may be better. Fuel cells havd been about since the Apollo space programme, so by now shouldn't be rocket science.

I can see a mix of technology. A truck going across the USA on autopilot can do it in one go on a fuel cell or can refuel in minutes. The delivery van that goes from the DC to your house is stopped more than running so can be on batteries. A haulage company can have a fuel handling facility with trained people, you can just about trust Joe public and van drivers not to test his recharging point with their tongue .

Andy

[Propellor]

So, is hydrogen excessively expensive to produce compared to electricity? Just asking, as I don't know. Is there an explosion risk with hydrogen power?

I don't know about the economics of it tbh, but it seems too much of a roundabout way of getting energy into mechanical effort at the wheel(s), compared to batteries. You need to use energy to make hydrogen, store the hydrogen, release it to make electricity to power the wheels. I can see some instances where the shear size and weight of batteries are a problem, but will this issue diminish as battery technology improves? Musk unveiled a truck using batteries recently. I'm not sure of the environmental issues connected with the two approaches  (battery/fuel cell).

[Propellor]

Nuclear fusion? Sounds very far fetched, but as it is a theoretical possibility is it, in fact,  inevitable?

[Andy M]

Truck wise it goes hand in hand with Autonomous driving. Get rid of the cab, 90% of the wages bill and be able to work when the roads are at their clearest, range goes up, charging times are easier to plan and you have spare cash for the investment.

The retailers are ahead. All those shops no one goes to anymore are getting bigger and bigger warehouse spaces. The van that drops off the bread is starting to pick up the iron or hoover someone did as click and collect for the next store in the chain that doesn't have one. When the route is a circle of short runs not a series of runs making a star there is time to top-up charge.

Andy