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fenrunner

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Srx 6
« on: January 04, 2017, 09:34:13 PM »
Hi all.
I've been offered an Srx6 1jk import with 22000km on it. Has been stood a number of years, but it's all there and standard, the throttle is stuck and brakes need a overhaul, but it kicks over ok with compression.  Any ideas what else to look for, or should I leave it where it is?
Thanks in advance and all the best for the New year.
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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 11:31:18 PM »
hi have a good look inside the tank for rust its a problem with them and a decent tank is hard to come across  tommy

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 07:26:43 AM »
Thanks Tommy, I will have a good look.

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 12:25:48 PM »
Have a good look at the forks/seals as well. They usually suffer from being left for some time. It's usually the left one that leaks.
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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 12:13:58 AM »
Thanks for that Ian, had a look again at the bike last tax disc show's it ran out in 1995.


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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 01:34:08 AM »
Aye fenrunner,

If you bide your time on here SteveL maybe along, who if your name relates to your abode, will live just up or down the road from you and he has had 6 of these beasties.  ;)

At present I am into the guts of a SRX400 mono that was "professionally" converted to a 600 using an XT600E motor. Long story, but after riding the beastie home a 100 miles there were lots of tell tale signs that things were not well in the motor. Not been given a good run for at least 3 years and spent a lot of time sitting about since the conversion. I would agree with the points made by tommy and Ian. :)  I would also advise that you take a magnetic probe with you and see what is in the bottom of the oil tank, I wish I had; as what appeared to be clean fresh oil when viewing and assured by owner, turned out to be black watery stuff with a thick black magnetic sludge in the bottom of the tank after the 100 mile run!  >:(

After the run the motor also developed a "rumble" on the overun between 3,000 - 4,000 rpm!  >:(  Enough for it not to be started again!

Due to the design of the petrol tank and the location of the fuel outlet, it is impossible to drain the fuel from the two lower parts of the tank at the rear; unless you use a large syringe and tube dropped in through the filler to draw off the contents. Condensation usually forms inside the tank and especially with post ethanol additives in the fuel, this water settles in the lower parts of the tanks saddles and corrodes from the inside outwards along the bottom  tank seam. Some tanks are irrepairable, others are repairable, but it costs!  :(  The contents are usually a rusty red water/fuel emulsion that stinks and may contain bacterial blooms feeding on the ethanol, which gives it a jelly like appearance. I drain my tanks annualy and use 'TankSafe' or similar de-watering additive in the fuel, especially in the colder months, to combat this.

I attach 2 images from the guts of the mono that after removing the outer crankcase covers showed ample signs of sitting about with old oil and condensation forming in the motor. The contents of the oil pump were black/ watery and the lobes of the pump appeared to have been nibbled by mice. Between the offside (right-hand) main bearing and the crankshaft journal was a red rust deposit and getting hold of the end of the crank after removing the generator and waggling it up and down with a straight arm produced a "knock" from the main bearings; hence the grumble between 3,000 - 4,000rpm on the overun. Being on the side stand the oil all drains away from the off-side of the motor, when laid up.  :(

The twin shock 600's, due to poor hardening of the 5th gear pair and a false belief that these bikes are "thumpers" as per the long stroke British singles, often show flaking of the hardened surfaces of the gear teeth and can loose teeth in the worst circumstances. Genuine Yamaha gear pairs are, I believe, still available and do not appear to have the same problem. But never "lug" these motors.

Having got inside this mono motor it could all be a lot worse, but requires a new set of bearings right through the motor, a new oil pump, an internal oil strainer that cannot be accessed unless you part the crankcases, a strip and rebuild of the crank and big-end bearing. Approximately £500 in parts and £200 labour, using either quality Japanese bearings or Yamaha parts (there are no alternatives for the oil pump and strainer; whilst pattern gaskets I've had fail, as do cheap bearings) and the labour is for the crank rebuild only, I'm doing the rest myself. No cheap!  :(

However, once rebuilt, given regular oil changes, not "lugged" and with a good set of tyres the SRX is a slim, light and really rideable bit of kit, with plenty of spares; the XT600 and Grizzly 600 quads using very similar motors. My 1986 SRX600 1JK has now done 114,500km and I purchased it with ~45,000km about 15 years ago. It too needed a complete engine rebuild after a 634cc big bore conversion let go after a 200 mile ride home!  >:(  I returned the engine to a 599cc Grizzly bore, using a new piston, rings and cylinder sleeve and so far it is very sweet.

In my eyes SRX' are not as good as a Ducati single, but a really enjoyable practical machine that is a bit easier to maintain and ride distances. Just go canny and make sure the price is less than £750!  ;)  If the owner expects more than a Grand, I think I would walk away. But, it's your dosh and far be it from me to tell you how to spend it.

Good luck, Bill

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fenrunner

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 09:14:11 AM »
 Thankyou for the info Bill, Lots more things to look for. Not had a chance to look in the tank, trying to find the key. The bike is a non runner, but it's got to be worth saving as it's all there and it will look Good next to my XBR . I'll try and add a picture soon , best wishes Mark.

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 02:19:56 PM »
Aye Mark,

I agree that as the bike is "all there" it could be worth saving.

Even if you can't get the filler cap open, gently press with your finger tips along the tank bottom seams and the outside face of the tank on both sides to a level above the horizontal line made by the tank from below the filler. If you can feel the inside skin of the tank do likewise here as well. If you feel any "give", leave an impression on the surface or hear a crunchy sound beware. Also run that small magnet probe I mentioned afore, over the whole of the same area, in case of filler/fibreglass repairs. Be suspicious of any "dampness" when running your fingers along the length of the tank seam.

Keep us posted, if you wish, and if you have any other specific queries, try the 'SEARCH' box in the top righthand corner of the screen, in case the question/subject has been raised afore; but don't let that stop you enjoying the craic of the forum and asking more questions.

My regards, Bill

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 02:29:25 PM »
Again more good advice, cheers Bill, yes I will put an update on here and hopefully some pictures, enjoying reading other people's post's .
Best wishes Mark.

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 04:38:06 PM »
one other thing to look at... an item that is like the proverbial 'rocking horse sh*1'... the kick start lever (I'm assuming it's a twinshock kickstart model, as far as I'm aware all 1jk's were) .... a small rack which migrates from the screw hole (retaining screw that holds lever to splined knuckle) ... this crack will eventually widen enough for the lever to drop off.... I have seen some attempts at welding this crack... none successful in the short or long term.
if you're in east Anglia then I have found Tinklers in Norwich very helpful in obtaining srx bits (they have a manual under the counter which covers all srx's including grey imports) and are extremely helpful.
sadly the absolute bestest place in the world for srx knowhow closed a couple of years ago Denver Motorcycles... which would have been ideal for you I'm guessing.
anyway back to this bike you have....
Sounds terrible to me ... I think you should give it a wide berth ...  and just let me know where it is  ;D
with regard to the carbs ...  give them a good soaking in derv, play around with them to try & free them off, then throw them away
they are a complete mystery to me .... more secret galleries than the Tate Modern..
I have a collection of about 10... all no bluddy good
I use a pair of 33m mikuni's or dellorto's (or a big single 40mm on a fabricated manifold)
good luck with it
ps, I have a CD parts diag & numbers if you want a copy

fenrunner

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 06:37:42 PM »
Thanks SteveL.
I remember Denver M/C's great place, the carbs sound a barrel of fun!!  ;D
kick start looks OK, but I will have a better look. I'm not far from Cambridge so Tinklers isn't to far away .[ is there a special handshake to gain access to the under the counter parts book😄]
Thankyou for the offer of the cd copy... If I get stuck I'll let you know.
Best wishes Mark.


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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 07:19:17 PM »
r.e. Tinklers, well, I suggest, if you do end up at Tinklers, just say you've heard that they have a full  (A5) product book, it covers all srx models, and once you tell them it's a 1Jk ...  the book will point them to the correct microfiche (remember them?)
I hope after all that , they still have it lol
I do have a microfiche (the diags, not the reader) of my own should it be required... this is available to all TC members
cheers

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 07:23:01 PM »
and ....
If you are coming up this way, give me a shout, you can always call in for a cuppa & look at my #1 srx and see how replacement carbs fit etc

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 08:32:03 PM »
Damn! This thread has got me thinking about the SRX I could have bought off Mark for £850  :-\
Seriously though, this thread is a perfect example of why our wee forum is so good. People helping each other out, it's what it's all about. Almost brings a tear to my eye  :)
Namaste

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Re: Srx 6
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 08:40:58 PM »
Aye Steve and Mark,

Might I suggest an alternative to the lamented and late Denver M/c's? Whilst not specialising in Yamaha singles, they make Ducati 250's race reliable, beat 350 and 500 singles in the Classic and Vintage classes on them and Andy uses a RE Conny to good effect in the BHRC chair classes. They have an effective home made flow bench setup that produces the results. Stu Noble and Andy Hunt are the proprieters and if the place is shut they are probably off racing!  ;D

Link: Steelcraft_Soham

Good health to you both for 2017.

Further pics, rants and cursing of the Mono may appear from time to time on the 'Projects' forum, so as not to clutter this blether forum up.  ;)

My regards, Bill