Observation #23

[Propellor]

You don't tend to find sectional arrangement drawings in workshop manuals. Well, not Haynes ones anyway. (The fact that Haynes manuals are, IMO, 90% useless was observation #1).

It's a great shame, because a good sectional arrangement drawing is really useful! If done well, with skilful choice of line thickness.

The exploded views are ok for identifying parts, but they generally show you very little about how they go together.

[Moto63]

That's the good thing about having a genuine honda workshop manual, they give you a sectional arrangement drawing at the beginning of (funny enough) each section

[SteveC#222]

The thing I want to know is this:- I can get a Haynes manual for almost all cars, many bikes, A Spitfire, a Hurricane, a Lancaster bomber, the Tardis, the Millenium Falcon, the Starship Enterprise, Men, Women, Bob the Builder ( I kid ye not).........

.......WHY CAN'T I GET ONE FOR A  BL%%DY VW TRANSPORTER VAN THAT EVERY OTHER BUILDER, PAINTER AND CHIPPY IN THE COUNTRY HAS!!!


...back on the subject the Honda manuals are good though mine is a photocopy so not so good and the parts manual is pretty good for showing where everything goes  .

[Richard]

Should have bought an MZ then.  Their workshop manuals are awesome, and include line drawings of special tools so you can make your own.

[SteveC#222]

Should have bought an MZ then.  Their workshop manuals are awesome, and include line drawings of special tools so you can make your own.

Still miss my old MZ  cracking riders bike.  The Ural manual/ handbook was good too - mind you, Urals, like MZ's, were designed to maintained and fixed by the owner with the help of the local Blacksmith and Tractor agent not an executive 5 star dealership like so many modern bikes!

[Propellor]

Should have bought an MZ then.  Their workshop manuals are awesome, and include line drawings of special tools so you can make your own.

The Germans love their section drawings. As do I.

They love em because they're useful. Pragmatic.

I was a demon with a rotring pen in me yoof. Even if I say so meself.

[Andy M]

Would you believe Guzzi are a disaster in this respect. The V7 manual has huge chunks missing as you are supposed to know which bits are common with the Breva 

Ended up compiling my own.

https://picasaweb.google.com/104442976739427547289/Manual?authuser=0&feat=directlink

I never got on with the MZ factory manual. The info was all there but they weren't great at getting text info close to graphical stuff. Lots of diagrams with huge blocks of text explaining how the whatsit (item 1b-7 fig 2) is connected to the Ooojah (item R11.1 fig A) and should be clear of the thingy (refer to chart in appendix 43). Probably a limitation of printing presses only designed for party rally flyers. Put it alongside the Haynes and you have the basis easy to see and the detail for when it isn't clear.

Andy

[squirrelciv]

Trouble I have with sectional drawings is I always doubt them once I've taken things apart and forgot how to put them back together. My [dodgy] memory always tells me "That doesn't seem right... I'm sure they came off the other way round" In case you're wondering, I'm not the Worlds greatest mechanic. 

[Propellor]

Trouble I have with sectional drawings is I always doubt them once I've taken things apart and forgot how to put them back together. My [dodgy] memory always tells me "That doesn't seem right... I'm sure they came off the other way round" In case you're wondering, I'm not the Worlds greatest mechanic. 

A decent sectional arrangement drg should leave little in doubt, to the point where you could assemble some parts with no knowledge of how they came apart. I'm not referring to exploded views or technical illustrations here. What I mean is a section through the assembly.
 

[002]

Pat needs sectioning !

Jethro

[squirrelciv]

Pat needs sectioning !

Jethro

My psychiatrist might have something to say about that!