I was only repeating the conclusions that came up in a conversation with a couple of people from the vmcc, I put up a video on youtube entitled thumper sound (one of my XBR videos) and had quite a few messages from people saying that a short stroke motor is not classed as a thumper, this conversation was continued on a few facebook sites, and the consensus was a thumper is a long stroke motor, but the word is now used generically to mean any single cylinder 4 stroke