Author Topic: Endf the week topic  (Read 835 times)

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Endf the week topic
« on: April 12, 2013, 08:00:16 AM »
The big thumper road bike is dead. Think about it. What can you buy these days to use as a proper road bike, with a big single cylinder engine?

Ok, you can buy a big 'adventure' bike but the riding will always be compromised and the BMW engine in particular is quite short stroke (in feel) and doesn't give the 'thumper' ride we love.

As much as I admire Enfield's efforts with the newer motors, they aren't fast are they.

What is there for us confirmed thumper scratchers?

GC

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2013, 09:02:52 AM »

What is there for us confirmed thumper scratchers?

GC

Old bikes?  Maybe you are right, they must just seem a bit archaic next to (equivalent) CB500, Kawa twin with the underslung pipe (?Versys?).  Easier to extract usable power from twins & multis?  The buyer would have to want to own it (unlike the twins listed which will generally do most things prett well).

So maybe we just have to keep building them?   ;D

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2013, 09:26:23 AM »
Does this mean I've got to leave then, after buying the BMW specially?

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2013, 10:38:11 AM »
Yes  :P
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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 04:25:02 PM »
Cheers  :(

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 04:38:53 PM »
And sell it to me at a knockdown price obviously  :P
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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2013, 07:42:34 AM »
I think you need to start with why you want the Thumper.

The original Brit bikes all the way through to the last Japanese examples were singles for manufacturing cheapness and ease of owner maintenance. The Enfields seem to be treated like mechano meeting one idea, any 250-600 cc Japanese twin can be bought relatively cheaply and needs next to nothing doing to it. I have to say I've been looking at Honda NX700's with what is basically half a civic engine, it ticks a lot of boxes. The extra cylinder is actually cheaper than them passing on the development costs of FI and emissions package for a thumper.

If it's for the feel of how it rides, I'd suggest getting a go on the likes of a Triumph Scrambler or Kawasaki W800. Open riding position, narrow bike, just enough power but enough vibration to stop you getting bored, firing order and FI set up to feel older . It does feel right nailing these down the B roads with an open face lid etc.

I dislike the "adventure" tag, too many R1250GS's (Tourers) with Muriels of Ewan McGregor and pantechnican width TT boxes containing nothing but a Starbuck loyalty card, but you have to say that the smaller ones (General Purpose bikes) do what's required. The tank on the Wee is good for 300 miles, it'll do anything from gravel tracks to the autobahn and you do nothing but put petrol in it and drop the oil once a year. I have scrape marks on the pegs and side stand that in my mind show that with modern tyres the shape of the bike doesn't really matter. I think you could do the same with a G650 or Tenere or CB500X (I know, it's a twin).

I have decided to quit the old bike game. Trips on the RAC wagon add nothing to the experience and the lunacy of strident horns and indicators flashing at the wrong speed and bulbs that myseriously blow between dropping the bike off and the test that is the MOT is the rip off it feels like, a game I will no longer play. With this in mind I've started keeping a score of possible Wee replacements for 2015. Lighter 250 trail bikes lack range and have higher service needs. I see no need to go above 80 HP. The choices do indeed become limited and I will need to get a go on a Honda 700 and 500 at some point, but for me there are bikes out there that do what the Thumpers used to. The so called Glee (Gladius Engined Wee) is still favourite.

Edit to add: the Dealer lent me a Gladius when they dropped the oil at 600 miles. It was insane, breaking every speed limit felt like you were standing still, wheelies and getting your boot toe on the tarmac stupidly easy. It was like riding a video game and I'd be banned in a month if I got one.

There are also days when I do fancy another Enfield and the newer ones are pushing power ratings that may be practical. I lived with 18HP so I wonder if 28 will do most things?

Andy
« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 08:06:46 AM by Andy M »

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2013, 07:58:46 AM »
I think the problem is thumpers no longer make financial sense for the manufacturer. The marketplace doesn't require them and emmisions noise legislation makes them problematic to make.

I think for day-2-day transport, we have some great options available nowadays (lurving the wee, me  ;D) but for scratchin' and fun, you'll just have to deal with the on-going maintenance issues and keep your 80's (or older) thumper up together and use that.

(... and before anyone else says it... Yes, I know, I don't have any thumpers at the mo. Not even a project one!  :-[
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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2013, 11:04:05 AM »
I bought the current beastie for many of the reasons you cite Andy, it was decent nick for the price, good reputation for reliability, comfy for distance and motorway, nice handling, lots of life in the tyres,brakes etc etc, too fast, but only if the rider twists the throttle :-s

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2013, 11:09:25 AM »
Well the good news is that, with the exception of petrol tanks and centrestands, I have enough XBR spares to keep me going for a fair old while  :)

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p.s. I do like the BMW engine Trev, I was just playing devils advocate for purpose of sparking debate

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 08:05:58 AM »
You're right though GC. It does like to rev, up to the 7000rpm red line (well, black block on the digital dash).

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2013, 04:39:12 PM »
I cannot speak about Honda singles but single and thumper are not necessarily the same thing.

For example - Enfield 500 - had a couple of them and they definitely thumpers, whereas the Skorpion has more in common with two strokes in terms of ride and delivery, she likes the throttle, whereas my Tenere was I suppose somewhere in between.

So is singles or thumpers that you miss GC?

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2013, 04:51:45 PM »
ok, heres an alternative thought about the future of single cylinder bikes, remember the early 80s, the roads were full of yam LC's and X7s, and then the learner law killed the class. yet within 2 or 3 years, 250s were one of the biggest sellers. why? because of gp's, everyone watched the racers on tv and the early satelite channels and folk wanted bikes like they saw on the track. now is it beyond the boundries of possibility that the newly introduced moto 3 single racers will influence bike buyers, and moreso, influence manmufacturers to market sporty light single pot road bikes? its not i dont think impossible to imagine that the buying public beset by power limits and the latest licence restrictions, might lead to a market for single pot road bikes with fab handling and punchy motors. after all, just look at the uber exotic 400 bikes sold for the japanese home market, all due to licence restrictions. restrictions that arent too dissimilar to the stepped licencing system we now are getting in europe. as moto 3 develops, i think the canny men in japan will see the potential for replicas of these small bikes aimed at learners or newly qualified riders. possible? what do you think?

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Re: Endf the week topic
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2013, 06:21:41 PM »
Single cylinder they may be, but Thumpers seems unlikely.

Could be fun though.
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