Author Topic: The return of budget biking?  (Read 6428 times)

guest868

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2011, 03:44:09 PM »
I disagree with shedbrewed re: the weather. Im sure he was  out on his  bike every day over Mid November/December  ;D ;D


Good job we dont all think the same way. Otherwise there would be no discussion here.

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Not every day, just most of them :)





and I took the g/f out when we went to test ride the Tiger800



but the fog was a pain then.
Couldn't agree more about disagreeing and discussion being good :)

guest18

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2011, 05:45:36 PM »
My Skorpion does 60mpg, but the 2 litre turbodiesel does 45mpg commuting or 65mpg on a run in airconditioned comfort, tyres last forever, service intervals are iirc every ok miles(!) Oh, and it doesn't rust in front of your eyes driven in the winter  >:(

We need medium small engined streamliners... say a 250 thumper engine in an aerodynamic body, 100mpg, 100mph, weather protection.... but because 90+% of bikes are toys we get 50mpg maybe, stuff all weather protection (mostly) exorbitant spares prices, serice intervals measured in weeks, quick corrode parts etc etc  ::)

Maybe the rising cost will cause a change... but I'm not convinced yet  :-\

el vencejo

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2011, 09:37:17 PM »

We need medium small engined streamliners... say a 250 thumper engine in an aerodynamic body, 100mpg, 100mph, weather protection.... but because 90+% of bikes are toys we get 50mpg maybe, stuff all weather protection (mostly) exorbitant spares prices, serice intervals measured in weeks, quick corrode parts etc etc  ::)

Maybe the rising cost will cause a change... but I'm not convinced yet  :-\

I need a BIG motor in a naked chassis 8) :)

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2011, 11:15:59 AM »
My Skorpion does 60mpg, but the 2 litre turbodiesel does 45mpg commuting or 65mpg on a run in airconditioned comfort, tyres last forever, service intervals are iirc every ok miles(!) Oh, and it doesn't rust in front of your eyes driven in the winter  >:(

We need medium small engined streamliners... say a 250 thumper engine in an aerodynamic body, 100mpg, 100mph, weather protection.... but because 90+% of bikes are toys we get 50mpg maybe, stuff all weather protection (mostly) exorbitant spares prices, serice intervals measured in weeks, quick corrode parts etc etc  ::)

Maybe the rising cost will cause a change... but I'm not convinced yet  :-\

no we dont, because you know what, if they made them nobody would buy them. thats the simple fact. everyone in the bike world harps on about making a simple frugal stylish commuter bike, so we get the cb500/er5/gs500/divvy600 and what does everyone do? they go and buy fireblades and r1's, they say what would sell is a nice single cylinder engine in a lightweight chassis, so we get the srx660 and the xbr500, and everyone goes out and buys supersports 600's instead.
whatever they build people will always buy a sportsbike instead, cos the bike world isnt about transport anymore. if you want a cheap simple commuter with cheap parts, low insurance, low tax and good fuel consumption, then buy a 125 innova, they do sell, but mostly to people who only want to commute. most bikers wont touch one.

el vencejo

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 12:11:27 PM »
Aren't small to medium sized thumpers in aerodynamic bodies with weather protection called scooters?

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guest18

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2011, 04:10:01 PM »
"most bikers wont touch one." Indeed, but they're not who I am talking about. I'm looking at the people running small hatchbacks and similar who are complaining of fuel bills that would've run a jag ten years ago. They are the mass market...
Don't need to sell to "bikers", we're an eccentric minority!  ;)

el vencejo

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2011, 05:35:31 PM »
But Smudge, that's exactly the market scooters are aimed at... bikers will always prefer the ones with big wheels.  :)

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2011, 09:44:27 PM »

We need medium small engined streamliners... say a 250 thumper engine in an aerodynamic body, 100mpg, 100mph, weather protection.... but because 90+% of bikes are toys we get 50mpg maybe, stuff all weather protection (mostly) exorbitant spares prices, serice intervals measured in weeks, quick corrode parts etc etc  ::)

Maybe the rising cost will cause a change... but I'm not convinced yet  :-\

I need a BIG motor in a naked chassis 8) :)

So does my Xt660Z Tenere qualify?
...........and before you ask, when Simon, Crusty and myself went around Scotland last year, we were getting 67mpg (Crusty's calculation)
We were making good progress too, fully loaded for a weeks camping.

There are bikes out there! ;)
If I'm not working I'll be away on my bike camping!

guest18

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2011, 12:01:11 AM »
There are any number of big naked bikes out there...
There are some large scooters which sell better than anyone on here would have predicted a few year ago.
What keeps many car users off two wheels is that they see no reason to spend similar or more money to sit in the rain for a marginal improvement in fuel economy (if any, see the VW polo diesels for instance), potentially more expensive road tax and higher general running costs.

It's a no brainer, Polo diesel= practical warm sensible cheap, bike= cold wet expensive, and therefore viewed in the same way as a jetski.

Until that changes then bikes will never become mass market, they are developed and sold as toys, in the bad/good old days bikes were cheap, slow and did 100mpg, cars were expensive, slow and did 30mpg, hence sidecars and family transport being the bike.
Now cars are cheaper in relative terms than ever before and bikes are (mainly) stupidly expensive to run. If you keep your XTZ for 2 to 3 years then kick it over it will probably be a write off, crazy  >:(

The current crop of bikes don't cut it as mass market transport, even if fuel does make it to £10 a gallon they still wont, but something can/will... it could be two wheels but as long as we copy a fairing spec designed by the racing authorities in the fifties to be inefficient it wont be bikes as we know it.

All imho of course  ;)

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2011, 06:59:08 AM »
Don't think anyone's suggesting comuter bikes/scoots were ever going to wipe out the city car market, but I do think sales might rise. It's not just converted car drivers that these bikes appeal to, train travel costs are rising and if you need to go out and buy a new way of getting to work, a £1,000 chinese 125 as opposed to a £7,000 city car....

I for one, hope sales do rise. The more little thumpers the manufacturers sell, the greater the development budget.  ;D

Is my natural optimism showing??
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Steffan

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2011, 08:54:01 AM »
As someone who has a wife who has two VWs including a polo I can tell you from bitter experience that they are
a. not cheap.
b. bloody expensive to service (properly)
c. Do wear out tyres etc.

I agree that most people don't want to put on thirty layers of clothes before getting wet, but I think that there is a possibility that for those who ride and love old hacks that relatively we may see an improvement to our lot.

Personally I don't give a monkey's if car drivers convert or not, and I suspect despite the rhetoric most bikers don't want to see things go mass market.

Steffan

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2011, 12:22:17 PM »
Anyone thought about diesel motorcycles, I have seen homemade ones on youtube using about 300cc engines that do upto 150-175 mpg

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2011, 04:14:11 PM »
Anyone thought about diesel motorcycles, I have seen homemade ones on youtube using about 300cc engines that do upto 150-175 mpg

Yeah, had considered it but I don't like wearing earplugs.
There exists a set of people who believe 2>4

el vencejo

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2011, 05:05:50 PM »
Diesel Enfields.... http://www.pricepartmotorcycles.co.uk/page_2219102.html     (good bloke too!)

A bike that sounds like a mobile cement mixer  ::)

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Re: The return of budget biking?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2011, 06:55:03 PM »
LOL

That's exactly what I thought when I started up the test diesel enfield I once rode, "it sounds like a cement mixer"

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