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bullet350

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winter rider stuff
« on: December 19, 2009, 04:36:29 PM »

 does anyone have any tips on staying warm, just with clothing etc?

excluding £1500 suits and electric clothing i just don't know how to stay warm when its 1 or 2 degrees.

thermal long-johns & long sleeve vest are a start, but what after that?
i'm wondering about hands and feet especially.

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bobby554

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 05:13:38 PM »
Hi I ride all year around mainly on BMW tourers, best thing is heated grips.
As for clothing I buy my winter boots one size bigger so I can wear three pairs of thin socks much better than two thick pairs. make sure you have plenty of room to wiggle your toes as too tight socks ( or clothing )will defeat the purpose.
I also wear sports wrist bands as keeping the wrists warm will help your hands stay warm, and mitts rather than gloves with thin silk gloves underneath.
Another thing I have done is to use a spare foam back protector cut short under my jacket zip across my chest. also a belt will keep your kidneys warmer.

Regards Bob

KirriePete

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 05:45:28 PM »
One word - layers.

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BrendanO

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 07:12:01 PM »
I bin wearing a 'fluffy fleece' last couple of years, and they're quite good (e.g. Mountain Hardwear Monkey Man), and one of those windproof running tops with very long sleeves and thumbholes at the end...great base layer, reduces heat loss at wrists=hands last much longer.

I sprung for an Aerostich heated/inflatable fleece 4 years ago, transforms winter (and spring/Autumn) riding. Really worth it, though £170 or more after postage, and may get stung for customs.

I believe Gialli (spelling?) have introduced an electric vest for under £100 recently, which uses a carbon weave panel, rather than lines of electric wires...seems a good value option if quality is fine.

Seriously, go for electricity, it's the answer after 20 years!!! Combined with layers of clever techy thermals from the January sales in yer outdoos shops!!!

Suppose you could go for faired bike (or car?) but that seems a little unsporting.

B
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Richard

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2009, 07:47:30 PM »
Has anybody tried adapting the range of electrically heated clothing being sold by Maplin ?

If we knew what voltage it ran at it may be possible to alter the wiring.

Richard

PS.
It looks as though there website has just crashed, probably down to Christmas, but they list gloves, insoles, gilet etc - and last week in Cardiff they were all reduced, ie £20 for the gilet.  ANybody looked at them ?
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trophydave

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 07:47:48 PM »
As Pete says,layers.Although after a certain point I find that you have to start putting some heat back in.I have a DIY heated vest,you can make one for about a tenner,plenty of advice on the 'net.This year I am also going to use heated grips under my stylish bar muffs.

bullet350

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2009, 08:07:22 PM »
fully faired bike?

 i could use the fully faired escort van.....

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robG

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2009, 08:31:52 PM »
I agree with Bob , heated grips are a must and something to keep the wind off the knuckles, trailie handguards or muffs.
I also fell into the too tight boots trap a few years ago and now wear a size up for my winter boots.
Just buy the best kit you can afford. I know Richard has had much success with the Lidl jacket and trousers so it's not all Dainese and Rukka. How about an update Richard?
More than anything I make sure all the straps and poppers are closed and no gaps for the wind and rain to sneak in.

Rob.

guest27

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2009, 08:56:56 PM »
Hi, You keep warm by having a layer or layers of warmed air or water that do not get cooled.  Clothing that is too tight squashes out the air and the warmth.  Too lose and you get a breeze through. A layer next to the skin that wicks away the sweat is good unless you go the Buffalo route that says that wet is not an issue, wind chill is.  Grate wicking layers are made of silk, some of the new technical fibers are also good, but remember if you take a tumble polyaramid fibres etc will melt under impact and fuse with your skin, silk does not, infact any silk fibres that get stuck into abrasions can help with healing.

You want too keep he wind off - muffs are great for this, and layers of windproof are good too - mention has been made of these thin running tops made of wind proof or near wind proof textile.  Plastic bags over the feet and hands, bin liner over the torso can work, but tend to cause sweat to stay put and can cause discomfort and when it evaporates - cold.

Ladies tights - preferably over silk longjohns add lovely layers of trapped air and can be real warm.  Stockings work, are sexier but more difficult to explain in A&E.

A balaclava inside the helmet can cut out the breeze - but usually are too short.  Stitching one to a t-shirt, or the yoke of a tee shirt keeps them in and cuts out the breeze down the back.

Wool is warmer wet than dry, but uncomfortable and you need to cut out the wind.

Really look after your feet and hands, if they are warm you can concentrate so much better - and a handful of front brake with cold hands - eeeek - so layers - snug but not tight with a wind proof layer or two over the top.  Mits are warmer than gloves as your fingers are in contact and pass warmth.

Ice climbing bots are over size and have nice - usually - felted wool inners - are really snug, but a bastard to change gear in.  A nice set of felted inners would probably work well but you  will need to go up a number of sizes.

Friend used to swaer by Dachstein (spelling) gloves and socks etc.  WEonderfully warm, bloody expensive.

R

Richard

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 10:12:18 PM »

Aldi gear - jackets been great.  In cold weather I have been known to wear a Snugpak Sleeka underneath in preference to the zip-out lining, handy at camp.

Trousers were a 'bargain' Busters/M&P job that were carp from the word go.  The velcro strips around the leg were the wrong way around !  I have gon eback to leather in the summer and Hood Jeans with a padded waterproof outer trouser (Bib and Brace) in the winters

Muffs.  Yes, probably the simplest and most effective upgrade for winter.

Heated grips.  Yes, if only because with muffs (never without) they enable you to wear a lighter glove and keep control which can be clumsy with thick gloves.  Particularly important in low grip conditions.

Having written that I find Pathans from the Gherkin shop to be very effective.

Windproof and waterproof outer layer, with layered seals for limbs and neck.

Oversize boots allowing a pair of goretex or SealSkinz socks and an extra pair of warm socks.

I am still hunting the perfect boot.  Altberg would be nice but are way out of my price range.  I have looked at Derri Boots but they offer no protection.  I have been looking at Muck Boots but woder if they would have enough manouverability in the ankle for the foot controls.  So I am back looking at an oversize pair of German Army/Para boots from Endicotts.  They have a double leather lining whcih is comfy.

http://www.endicotts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=75&products_id=1885

The website only mentions up to size 9.5 which for me wouldn't be enough, I am really after size 10.5 in a wide fitting.  Anybody out there got any boot advice for the winter ?

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bobby554

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2009, 10:55:27 PM »
Two things you cant really skimp on is boots and gloves, I have two pairs of Daytona boots. and alpinestars waterproof gloves. I used to work in a place where they supplied cotton gloves for componant handleing and found they worked really well as inner gloves.

One more thing RELAX, I know its hard to when heading into a howling wind but force yourself.
You will feel warmer by doing so.

Andy M

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2009, 08:04:55 AM »
All good stuff.

The big one to me is to avoid anything tight. Layer upon layer of compressed wool pile is just so much bulk. Better to have layers that can move over each other and actually trap air. Avoid cotton, it's a useless insulator, so only any use waxed as the outer layer. This means going commando/wearing cycling shorts for the first layer to avoid starting with a tight t-shirt  :o

Collars and cuffs can be a pain. You need to experiment as the likes of Horrible Gherkin spend all their time messing with wool pile and Goretex and forget the basics. A wool shirt with a falling collar will seal the neck gap a lot better and cheaper than twelve strips of velcro and cardboard stuffed plastic in my experience, but you need to find what fits.

Don't forget where the heat comes from. The body is warmer if it has a supply of easily digested, high energy food. You can try pemican if you feel the need(yuk!), but I'd stick to a decent cooked breakfast and pasta/soup/stew type stuff for lunch. You need plenty of warm drinks too. For the winter rallies, it's unfortunately better not to get ****ed on the gluhwein or drink gallons of coffee, both dehydrate and make digestion less efficient. For older gents, consider half an aspirin, thinner blood gets round easier. There are side effects such as more mess when you cut yourself, so read up/see the quack before you try, but it does have the desired effect.

Boot wise, I've been wearing East German border guard boots since the wall came down. Decent quality, fur lined and repairable. A batch seems to have made it to the surplus shops/e-bay the last few months or so. The only hassle for some is that all communist soldiers seem to have has size 7 feet  ???

More ramblings and stuff I'm playing with here https://sites.google.com/site/threewheelbonnie/cold-places/clothing

Keep warm  :)

Andy

trophydave

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2009, 09:19:20 AM »
I am still hunting the perfect boot.  Altberg would be nice but are way out of my price range

I have a couple of pairs of Altberg 'Field and Fell' boots.Being a tight sod both were second hand from ebay,about £30 a pair.One pair are a size too big to allow for a couple of pairs of socks.They have been warm and waterproof,I am pleased with them.If you did go the ebay route for a pair watch the sizes.I am a size 9 but need a 9.5 in Altbergs.My first pair were too small so I sold them on again.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2009, 01:15:49 PM by onepot »

niblue

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 09:48:35 AM »
Layering and heated grips have always worked for me. Having a bike with a decent fairing also helps.

Mark

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Re: winter rider stuff
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 11:35:27 AM »

I am still hunting the perfect boot.  Altberg would be nice but are way out of my price range

I have a couple of pairs of Altberg 'Field and Fell' boots.Being a tight sod both were second hand from ebay,about £30 a pair.One pair are a size too big to allow for a couple of pairs of socks.They have been warm and waterproof,I am pleased with them.If you did go the ebay route for a pair watch the sizes.I am a size 9 but need a 9.5 in Altbergs.My first pair were too small so I sold them on again.

I have just had a pair of the 'field and fell' waterproof boots back from ebay, made the error of buying my size which is a 10, far to small even without socks. I'd recommend them for a size 9 foot, they are a great pair of boots in excellent condition. Cost me £51, now up for sale. Will go on ebay soon unless someone here wants them.

Mark
« Last Edit: December 20, 2009, 01:17:26 PM by onepot »
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