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OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« on: May 03, 2009, 08:47:06 PM »
Ok, as some of you know swmbo is a Guider and I am a unit helper as a result (stop sniggering at the back boy!)
Now we have been invited to a camp to celebrate 100 years of Guides camping and the theme (for the part of the camp we are in anyway) is "1910 Camp".

So.... I expect to be camping 1910 style and at least appearing to be dressed broadly in keeping, no plastic, no stainless, no nylon, no goretex (  :'( ) no thermarest ( :'( :'( ) none of that nonsense  :o

On having a preliminary look around we're on storm lanterns (no probs  :) ) bell tents, straw palliases and suchlike, clothes for me I expect would be a bit of a tweedy three piece suit stout shoes/boots and a hat of some sort...but as ever the devil is in the detail and I don't want to spend thousands just for a week, so, over to you guys (as *someone* here always seems to pop up as an expert on virtually everything!!)

What would a 1910 bloke use for camping if he was to help out the local Guide Troop / Scout Troop (daft bl**dy women, they'll want the vote next, you mark my words  ;) )
What clothes would they wear "outdoors"? (for "class" we'll assume a middle class?)
What accoutrements would be considered indespensible (eg hat/gloves? walking stick? Watch?)
Where do I find cheap lookie-likies? Would my Barbour International be in keeping?
Oh yeah, and did they have lighters? If not where would I get / make up a simple tinder box??

and finally.... why is it never simple??  ::) :D :D

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2009, 09:45:56 PM »
Aye Smudge,

Try this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camping-Woodcraft-Handbook-Travelers-Wilderness/dp/0870495569

Or read this for 'True Spirit!': http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1910/mar/09/camping-in-wet-weather

Bit o' history: http://www.infed.org/thinkers/seton.htm

And the photo's in this link may help.

http://www.lonsdalescouts.org.uk/history/history.htm

Good set of hill tweeds, wool socks and brogues or 'hill shoes', with a hat for starters.

Have fun! ;D

My regards, Bill.
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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2009, 10:12:11 PM »
Aye Smudge,

Barbour wax cotton was also on the go and for real swanky stuff try this combo of multi-layering silk and finest merino. http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/3517/v/1/
Maybe if you used that modern wool stuff designed by the Kiwi's, made from Merino wool and put together in China these days, you could get away with it. I've a top and it seems to work fine, but can't remember the name of it! :-[

Toodle pip, Bill.

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2009, 10:55:03 PM »

 I've a top and it seems to work fine, but can't remember the name of it! :-[


George ?????    Or is it just VEST !    ;D :D ;D :D ;D


I'll get my Brian(Coat)  !!

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2009, 10:56:23 PM »
well if it were pre women getting the vote. he would expect his mrs to transport him a comfy armchair to camp and ensure that she had all his meals cooked and served on time, his copy of the times ironed every morning, and a pouch of his favorite pipe tobacco ready at hand for after he had drunk his evening brandy.  ;) ;) ;D

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2009, 07:27:36 PM »
Have no idea where it is (useless comment then) but I used to have my Mums war time guide camping book etc - although some years past your time, things change slowly...

Were big on little wooden shelves for rolled sleeping bag during the day - made from twigs and bits of stick - shelf not sleeping bag. Everything was off the floor and groundsheet rolled up to let the grass breath...

Everyone seemed to have a camp blanket - grey wool blanked with badges, bits of meaningful cloth etc sewn on.

Guess Guider would have had a bashar or similar camp bed.

All cooking on open fire in billies, or in straw ovens.

Hve "The quartermaster at camp" cook book somewhere about here - 1940's I think - still well out of your date but possibly useful if I could find it - seems potato soup was a big thing.

Toilet pit.

Have some 20's climbing books too- maybe they would have some pics of a sort of period gent on a day in the country - any use if I can find them?

Went on a guide camp once when I was about 10 - me and a site load of girlies  ;D

If any of the above is any use prod me and I will see if I can find it.

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2009, 10:34:28 PM »
Yup thanks guys, we actually have the wartime Guiding books and the comparison with the pre-war ones is quite interesting, they have used a smaller font and thinner, poorer paper, presumable to save paper, and the foreword mentions the need to camouflage camps from the air amongst other things! Reminds you how the threat from the war touched the most innocuous seeming activities  :-\

The actual camping is reasonably well documented and tbh a lot didn't change over the years (if it aint broke why fix it!)

On the clothing front an archeologist/historian I know has suggested the appropriate dress would be a Norfolk jacket and breeches  :o if I find those I shall look like Watson lol

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 02:01:00 PM »
From the little I know, camping stoves were, at that time, mostly some form of spirit burner (basic version of a trangia) or, much more likely, an open fire. Paraffin stoves like the Primus were fairly advanced stuff at this time, although I'm sure keen campers used them (if they could afford them).

Matches were commonplace even then so I'm guessing that's what they used for lighting a fire or stove.

Wool blankets would have been de rigeur for sleeping.

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 03:02:08 PM »
Tweeds and plus fours. Almost certainly wool everything

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 03:05:46 PM »
Guess felted wool would be in there too?

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 09:53:31 PM »
Guess felted wool would be in there too?

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 05:19:56 PM »

Back to usefulness.  We have recently been on an American Civil War re-enactment weekend and are putting together some historical camping stuff. 

Canvas Bell tent altered to make it more in keeping (no zips etc), wool blankets, stone bottles, galvanised buckets, steel plates, bowls, mugs etc actually made of stainless but masqerading as tinplate.  Cooking with iron pots and dutch ovens.  Wooden boxes for kit.

Try googling sutlers for period equipment of all sorts.

Out of period but rather nice I have just restored some old Carbide lamps as well, they are about 30 years later.  Use paraffin lamps or candle holders.

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Re: OT Question for the historians / vintage camping fans
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 06:32:10 PM »
The local medieval archers use a can on a post with half a kitchen roll soaked in paraffin in it as torches - not really in keeping, but close enough in the dark.

But that is a bit early... Mind their tents are nice - big wheel framed pavilions and all

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