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Richard

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« on: February 13, 2009, 01:48:02 PM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_7886000/7886974.stm

What do you reckon ?  Better than leg protectors.

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Re: Airbags
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 03:03:29 PM »
Hmmm, will suit some of the riders some of the time. I wince everytime I hear the "make it compulsory" cry.
Also it is a *relatively* young technology, I'm watching with interest to see how it evolves. (Says he who sometimes uses a lifejacket inflated by a co2 capsule  :o ) I wonder if the jacket can be repacked and the cylinder replaced for when you forget the lead and inflate it by accident... or is that a nice little earner for the company?
Finally for now, I imagine it is inflated by compressed gas, which means a gas cylinder... where is that stowed such that it can't hurt you in an accident (especially if the inflation fails for some reason)
Lots of questions, not many answers from this side!

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 03:31:03 PM »
Mmmmmm low speed low side - and forced himself to roll to make it look better - should have been wide and flat and sliding - then air-jacket would be bugger all additional use.  WOuld like to see it tested on a highside or a T-bone just to see how it deals with that.

Step forward JT for another 125mph highside to test a jacket?

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Re: Airbags
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 06:54:28 PM »
Can't see how the jacket would of saved our young Ducati rider from the fractured pelvis unless it comes with complimentary underpants. If it does, you can think again if you reckon I'll let any compressed gas near my knackers!

I really do hate all this stuff. By all means make it and try to sell it, but please stop trying to force people to abandon their own sense of safety.

Just a thought. Under what circumstances did the 500 odd motorcyclists die?? It's a tragedy that anyone loses their life for sure, but plodding along as I do, I come across many 'bikers' hell bent on self extermination. One for Darwin?? Even 500:several million population is fairly good odds ;D
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Re: Airbags
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 07:30:35 PM »

 as usual they're dodging the main issue of most drivers not knowing what they are doing.

 i like the idea, but not the idea of making it compulsary.

 how about a bayonet in the middle of every car steering wheel? might make them a bit more careful!

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Re: Airbags
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 07:57:08 PM »
I remember reading a write up some years ago on one the early inflatable jackets and as i recall it used a couple of soda syphon type CO2 cartridges to inflate the jacket so if you accidentally set it off it would be relatively easy/cheap to recharge.  Any genuine improvement in road safety is a good idea, but from what I have just seen on BBC, as the system relies on a ripcord being teathered to the bike, i can see a lot being set off accidentally. It certainly isn't going to be an instant answer to bike crashes. I think more driver education would be much more effective ( having ridden many miles in crap weather with car's 6 feet from my number plate!!).

Make it compulsory that all car drivers HAVE to spend at least 6 months riding a bike/scooter before they can take their test?
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2009, 08:35:03 AM »
Make it compulsory that all car drivers HAVE to spend at least 6 months riding a bike/scooter before they can take their test?

Now that SteveC is a GOOD idea, however in the 50's and 60's the vast majority of guys rode a bike for a couple of years before getting in a car....all these blokes (myself included!) are now the silly old duffers in volvo's with 'sorry, I didn't see you mate' printed on their sun visor 'cos they can't remember long sentences like that any more, let alone any of the highway code....

As motorcyclists our safety is up to us, we can't rely on anyone else....assume the bu55ers are out to get you......you'll probably be right most of the time.

Seriously though....as someone said....this is new technology....and like 2 wheel drive bikes, electric off roaders etc has a long way to go before any biker will be convinced of its effectiveness

Andy M

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2009, 09:30:11 AM »
There is no fear of compulsion to wear these. It took something like twenty years to develop the hugely expensive and rather flawed front impact test for cars and that's saved probably tens of thousands. Helmets are even worse to test and in effect limit themselves to a few types of incident on the basis that there are a lot fewer where the lid breaks your neck than where simply hitting the ground fractures your skull. No approval test means no compulsion.

That doctor in the vid who claimed massive organ damage was the killer and that the jacket would prevent it would be ripped to shreds by the first comittee trying to develop a test to show which jackets were safer and which gimicks. There are no numbers because the medics don't collect data in a logical way (better things to do no doubt). How many of the organ damage deaths were caused by puncture wounds rather than sudden acceleration? How many were multiple injuries? How many would have been prevented by not riding in jeans and a T-shirt? The number 561 must include some who were in such bad collisions nothing except staying in bed would save them. There is no way this jacket would save even fifty riders per year never mind the full 561, that's just a salesman saying the word "potential" so quickly the journalists miss it.

 The air bag I assume still has armour inside although from the vid it looked to be outside and the gas would simply help the armour get out of the way if you hit say a road sign?

Personally, I won't be getting one until we see how they perform. There is no prize for the first person to go under a truck because their airbag gimick went off unexpectedly and distracted them. Lanyard activation is a joke, the amount of slack and stretch in the wire are massive unpredictable factors in the activation sequence and allow the rider to simply forget it unless the bike had a warning light/cut out. A proper product would use two or three accelerometers just like a car and would need detectors for unfastened zips and the like, otherwise airbag deployment could help you roll out of the armour. Car airbags you'll note have a lot of logic associated with the seat belt that stops the air bags killing you. We've known what seat belts do in cars for fifty years, the air bags are a follow up to them the collapseable steering column/pedals.

I'm expecting the first properly tested version to be an inflateable neck brace for racers. It's a lot easier to define what it should do and when. Deploying out of the helmet means it's harder to put on incorrectly and we know lots about how helmets work. The chin buckle gives the electronic it's on/off signal. You are also working on an area without any protection now, so it's harder to make things worse.

Soda syphons and stuntmen really don't do it for me. Maybe they could get Clarkson or the Hamster to ride a rocket sled into a canal wearing one  ::)

Andy


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Re: Airbags
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 08:29:07 PM »
There is no fear of compulsion to wear these.
(snip reasoned analysis)
Maybe they could get Clarkson or the Hamster to ride a rocket sled into a canal wearing one  ::)

How come I'm years older than Andy M and he still talks about ten times more sense than I can ever manage?
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Re: Airbags
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2009, 08:48:58 PM »


How come I'm years older than Andy M and he still talks about ten times more sense than I can ever manage?
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now the silly old duffers .... can't remember long sentences like that any more, let alone any of the highway code....


do you see what I'm getting at here?!   ;D

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Re: Airbags
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2009, 09:12:01 PM »


do you see what I'm getting at here?!   ;D

Erm... no... can you explain it to me young man?

Cheeky bugger  ;)
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