So is Stoner a whinging...

[guest27]

.. Ozzy or was Rossi too robust in his overtaking?  Do we really care so long as they both survive and the racing is good..  More fun in one race than the season so far as a whole.

Well?....

R

[guest40]

dunno! aven't seen it Guv!

[pigafetta]

As the commentator said, I think, in the particular incident Stoner was upset about, Rossi was just recovering from a decidedly wobbly moment as he passed him. Stoner wasn't aware of this and it seemed like dodgy overtaking.

I dunno, and as you say, who cares? It was a bloody good fun. Best race I've seen for ages.

Dave

[squirrelciv]

Can't remember seeing Stoner doing too many 'life savers' either! I mean, what was he trying to do when he had his off? Great shoulder to shoulder stuff, brill.

[guest27]

Kurt you need to see it - if you like racing it was some laps of classic full on red blooded racing.  There is a fab pic on the back of this weeks MCN where Stoner is right on the edge of the curb on the right hander in the corkscrew, almost on the dirt, throttle pinned, back end all squirrelly, then inside him on the dirt - even more committed is Rossi - great stuff.

Stoner has complained that Rossi tried to take him out and that he (Stoner) has lost respect for a great rider.  That he (Stoner) has been riding for many years and has never had passes like Rossi pulled pulled on him.  Rossi has in return said that if Stoner has been racing for years, he (Rossi) has been racing a lifetime, and Sundays race was just like it used to be in the 125's and 250's.

From what I could see the Stoner / Ducati combination is faster than the Rossi / Yamaha combination, so Rossi could not allow Stoner to take and keep the lead, if he did Stoner would just clear off, so Rossi rode a cleaver race with some rather daring passes to keep Stoner behind.  Seems Stoner has never had to race so hard.  Apparently the only contact made was when Stoner hit Rossi.

Personally I thought it was wonderful and still wonder if Stoner had not over run into the kitty litter if they would have both gifted a dry win to Chris V on the Suzuki.

R

[guest146]

Stoner is overrated. Sure he can ride but its the bike that gave him last years championship.Its 15 MPH faster than most others out there. I know others have problems with riding it but he was lucky and clicked with it. When he was on other machinery he was just average. This time he and Rossi were equal and I am afraid he is not in  the same class. Did you see him in practice kicking out at people in his way. Wouldn't wish him harm but he got what he deserved

Ken

[guest27]

Not sure about Stoner being over-rated, sure he and the Ducati seem to get on like no others can, but he was fast on a 250 - ran Pedrosa close despite having and inferior bike and a smaller team. (Or so I remember) and then that first year in MotoGP he was on a customer Honda and threw it in the kitty litter a lot from trying too hard, but was again faster than Pedrosa on a works Honda.  I think Stoner gets a lot of grief for no other reason than he has come good and is not Rossi.  However spitting the dummy like he did does not show him in a good light and could be the start of a taking to pieces like Rossi did with Biaggi and Gibernau - got in their heads and took them apart.  I hope not, I want more of what we had, but with Lorenzo and Pedrosa, Edwards et al in the mix too.

Wondering if Hayden will go to Ducati, I think he was lucky to win his world crown (mind if Rossi had not thrown the bike away he would have been WC, so you have to stay on to win) and I have not till this year rated him as a rider, but to see him plugging away on a bike that obviously has been built for the ferret sized Pedrosa, being cross with the stuff he is given, but getting on with it, has put him up in my estimations.

From what he says the Ducati could suit him, he loves power in excess and the bike is bigger than the Honda.

Still it is nice to hear an Oz whinge like a good-un

R

[Steve Lake]

No, I don't think Stoner is overrated either.....if that was the case, everyone riding ducati's would be stuffing it to the rest of the field......
as it is, stoner seems to be the only one who can wring the neck of the beast....and he does it well.
That was quite simply the best race to come out of MotoGP for years.....
and it takes 2 (or more) to provide that sort of entertainment, riding at the peak of their profession...well done I say

[guest40]

Sounds like I need to get a view of the race somehow..
I'm not really into spectator sports other than the odd trials/ motocross

[guest146]

How many GP wins did he have on 125 and 250 or even on other moto gp machinery not very many. His speed now amounts to him just clicking with the Ducati  he is good but will never be in the same league as Rossi Its the outright top speed of his bike that puts him up front. He may mess with the rest bun don't mess with the best Besides I cant stand people that sulk when it don't go their own way

Ken

[squirrelciv]

Kurt matey.
Here's a link to the BBC iplayer showing the race in the full

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00crzb0

Enjoy

[guest27]

Besides I cant stand people that sulk when it don't go their own way

Ken

Rossi is getting him a carriage clock to go on that pet lip.

Mind Ducati are kinda smart, they have a small budget compared to Honda and even Yamaha, so they needed people who could ride and were cheap, guess Stoner was both last year.

So I will continue cheering him on - loved his crash at all costs attitude in his first year - and how he took it to Pedrosa in the 250's, but he should learn that being a great is more than riding a fast bike.  Rossi is a great, but look at the personality too, same as Lorenzo - personality to burn, as opposed to Pedrosa - personality, what personality.

Guess that is why I really wish the dice would fall for Colin Edwards, he seems the kind of guy to have a few pints with, where as Hayden before this year seemed to expect it all on a plate, this year he has shown that there is a real guy below.

Guess Stoner is still just a kid, but it just works so well for me, a whinging Oz after all the abuse they give us.

Ahh soon be back to Europe and get the 250's and 125's back

Now how about replacing the 250's with 600/4 (bad idea) and the 125's with 250 to 350 ish singles?

To my mind it should be 400 twins and 200 singles to go with the 800/4's

R

[guest146]

From what I heard it looks like 600cc engines with limited work  put in a racing frame with no restrictions. I seem to remember a class with 250 2 stroke running in the same race with 400cc or was it 6oocc but it was close racing so with factory work on the motors it should be a s fast as the 250s are now. It looks like 2 strokes have almost had its day, Its a pity.

Ken

[guest27]

To my mind this seems to be a sop to Honda - like the 800's were (990/5 =800/4)  rather than a more traditional 750cc.  Guess I am traditinal enough to think the smaller classes - lets call them GP2 and GP3 should be subsets of the MotoGP class, but not traditional enough to think they should all be singles (Manx 500, 350 etc)

They want production based engines to keep it lower cost, meaning 400 twins and 200 singles.  However there are not a lot of them, so why not 600 twins (Aprilia and Ducati, Suzuki have these Honda and Kawazaki almost do) and 400 singles - call it 450 and all the little 4S MotoX engines as fitted to Minomonos come in - nice sizes nice noises something for all - and allow the 250 and 125 strokers to continue - maybe with a weight penalty.

Now how about the "Norton" rotary, they are hoping this will be allowed in a 600cc 4S class, on the basis that it is 600cc and not a 2S - not a cat in hells chance being as the racer now makes 170BHP....

It is an 1800cc 2stroke is my guess


R

[tecnofobe*123]

when was the last time rossi was beaten by a SLOWER bike.