GUERRILLA 452

[Propellor]

Yeah the dreaded salt is the single worst thing about winter riding. Obvs the cold isn't great, but you kinda get used to it and there are modern technical solutions to the problem.

I got the scram as a winter bike ,although it's turning out as very enjoyable bike so it won't be relegated to winter only, not by any stretch.

 The guerrilla won't see much, if anything, in the way of salt. Maybe the very occasional dry winter day , where the salt isn't so sticky and I can be sure of enough time to immediately wash the bike after the ride.   

[xbally]

Yeah the dreaded salt is the single worst thing about winter riding. Obvs the cold isn't great, but you kinda get used to it and there are modern technical solutions to the problem.

I got the scram as a winter bike ,although it's turning out as very enjoyable bike so it won't be relegated to winter only, not by any stretch.

 The guerrilla won't see much, if anything, in the way of salt. Maybe the very occasional dry winter day , where the salt isn't so sticky and I can be sure of enough time to immediately wash the bike after the ride.

Yes, totally agree about the winter riding.

I've got a heated waistcoat which helps-I think on Michael's recommendation.

I don't seem to get on with heated grips-I don't find the type of heat helps much and the wiring seems to affect throttle control and keeps moving round the bars. I probably need to spend more on the ones I buy!

I'm looking into heated gloves.

That said i don't tend to go far in the winter...

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Finally picked up the bike today and here are some pics.......

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oops.......

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RWU : sorry....

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That's strange-I turned the image round but it won't seem to replicate on here?

Hopefully you get the idea...........

End of thread (hopefully).

[themoudie]

Aye Ian,

Thank you for the images, the first one appears to be sufficient to my uneducated eye. Minimal spot welds to retain the components on the body of the shock absorber. A notched pressing, with which to make any required adjustment. And, ............ nothing between the notched pressing and the top of the spring, as though a dished washer(s) have been left out and the spring can slide about, rubbing the shock body and maybe being unsupported on parts of it's circumference.

Maybe I'm seeing things that aren't actually amiss, BUT ......!

I'll leave the comparison between actual machines to you and Propellor.

Good health, Bill

[xbally]

I've no idea Bill....

I don't as a rule mess with suspension settings. In my experience on standard kit it doesn't seem to make much difference-even on the Jap sports bikes with multi adjustable compression / rebound damping as well as the usual pre load I used to ride back in the day .

Modern systems I'm sure are better, if not "active" which I take to mean they adjust themselves depending on the conditions or are adjustable electronically as you ride but I'm no expert as I no longer subscribe to most modern bikes as they are IMHO too complex and expensive..........

I rode 20 (cold) miles after picking the bike up from the dealer. Upon checking they have set the pre load at the minimum position as I asked and given what happened before I don't intend to go near it again. There was no discernible difference in the handling. Should I need an after-market shock I know Hagon do them and maybe there will be others in the future.

I've just bought a cheap winter project but it's not a single..............

[iansoady]

Aye Ian,

Thank you for the images, the first one appears to be sufficient to my uneducated eye.
I'll leave the comparison between actual machines to you and Propellor.

Good health, Bill

But.... That collar takes all the load from the spring along the axis of the shock, and is only held to the body by some rather poor welds - almost as bad as mine! So if the welds fail the collar will slide along and in the worst case go as far as the top mounting.

Also, although there are "steps" in both the rotating sleeve and the fixed collar I would have expected them to be in contact all the way round, not just in one spot as it appears. I'm not impressed......

[Propellor]

I've no idea Bill....

I don't as a rule mess with suspension settings. In my experience on standard kit it doesn't seem to make much difference-even on the Jap sports bikes with multi adjustable compression / rebound damping as well as the usual pre load I used to ride back in the day .

Modern systems I'm sure are better, if not "active" which I take to mean they adjust themselves depending on the conditions or are adjustable electronically as you ride but I'm no expert as I no longer subscribe to most modern bikes as they are IMHO too complex and expensive..........

I rode 20 (cold) miles after picking the bike up from the dealer. Upon checking they have set the pre load at the minimum position as I asked and given what happened before I don't intend to go near it again. There was no discernible difference in the handling. Should I need an after-market shock I know Hagon do them and maybe there will be others in the future.

I've just bought a cheap winter project but it's not a single..............

Yes Martin where you say too complex and expensive I would add unnecessarily so.

The rear shock characteristics on the guerrilla are very, very good. I've recently ridden a bike with poor suspension performance, that highlights how good the guerrilla is. I think the owner of said bike might agree?

Factor in the price of the machine and I've no complaints whatsoever regarding the suspension characteristics. I'm not keen on the small gap left between the offending pressed and rolled ring and the shock body. A recipe for rust.

Cheers.

[Propellor]

Aye Ian,

Thank you for the images, the first one appears to be sufficient to my uneducated eye.
I'll leave the comparison between actual machines to you and Propellor.

Good health, Bill

But.... That collar takes all the load from the spring along the axis of the shock, and is only held to the body by some rather poor welds - almost as bad as mine! So if the welds fail the collar will slide along and in the worst case go as far as the top mounting.

Also, although there are "steps" in both the rotating sleeve and the fixed collar I would have expected them to be in contact all the way round, not just in one spot as it appears. I'm not impressed......

Hi Bill.

I agree with the first comment. That the short stitch welds are all that support the forces and are of variable quality (and length) I must have looked at 6 bikes now and they're all slightly different. Not great. As long as the poorest example is sufficient then I guess the value engineering committee have succeeded.

I disagree with your second comment. Bi don't think the steps in the pressed and rolled support ring are meant to touch. Just the opposite in fact. Obvs the highest one does the supporting, but the others, I believe, are meant to gradually reduce the section of the material, whilst missing each of the steps of the adjuster ring. I think that's the ides🤷.

Cheers.

[themoudie]

Aye Propeller,

My comment about the collar and the top of the spring, is that there appears to be nothing to hold the top of the spring centrally, so that it isn't lopsided against the collar and the shock body. What I am trying to draw attention to, is that there are no split collets, or a slotted collet that you would normally find on a Hagon etc shock absorber to retain the spring! The spring appears to bear directly, lop sided against the collar, which I don't fancy much.

Good health, Bill

[Propellor]

Aye Propeller,

My comment about the collar and the top of the spring, is that there appears to be nothing to hold the top of the spring centrally, so that it isn't lopsided against the collar and the shock body. What I am trying to draw attention to, is that there are no split collets, or a slotted collet that you would normally find on a Hagon etc shock absorber to retain the spring! The spring appears to bear directly, lop sided against the collar, which I don't fancy much.

Good health, Bill

Ah, I see what you mean. Yes it does look that way. At the very least you'd think there'd be a washer or thin annular disc if you will 😁. Also something to locate the spring in concentric fashion perhaps.

All I can say from rattling over the terrible Yorkshire roads are that it works and works well. That term "value engineering" crops up again. But they seem to have succeeded. By they I mean Showa, possibly with leverage from Royal Enfield?

Have a ride on one and give us your thoughts.

[xbally]

Yes I can agree that given the price of the bike the quality of the ride is pretty good bearing in mind the awful state of the roads across the country nowadays.

I was somewhat gutted yesterday to find while waiting to pick up the keys following the warranty work, they are now offering my basic model new with a £500 discount. Presumably everyone wants the higher spec dash and more modern paint schemes?

Talk about adding insult to injury!

[Propellor]

Yes I can agree that given the price of the bike the quality of the ride is pretty good bearing in mind the awful state of the roads across the country nowadays.

I was somewhat gutted yesterday to find while waiting to pick up the keys following the warranty work, they are now offering my basic model new with a £500 discount. Presumably everyone wants the higher spec dash and more modern paint schemes?

Talk about adding insult to injury!

The higher spec dash is very good. I don't think they could have done a better job of the layout. However the surface scratches just by looking at it (slight exaggeration). The solution is a speedo angels screen protector.

In all honesty, my feelings about the suspension performance are not that it's acceptable, I feel it's very good.

What a shame/stroke of bad luck you had.