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Club House => Chatter => Topic started by: guest905 on December 04, 2011, 10:49:34 AM
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Have sort of been biten by the "outfit" bug. Thinking along the line of the 2013 Elephant and Taurentreffen on 3 wheels so i have a better chance of getting home alive. Also as i do a lot of bike rallies all year round the extra carrying space would be usefull. Sarah my girlfriend loves riding in a sidecar so seems to be a win win situation.
Have no clue what would be suitable or viable and no idea how to get on the German rally scene so any comments or suggestions and or hints would be helpfull.
Any further down this road and i will be buying a Land Rover (as if i dont already see enough of the feckin things as i work at the factory...) and cooking on a stove that is older than me,
Crusty.
(Bring it on..... ;))
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and no idea how to get on the German rally scene so any comments or suggestions and or hints would be helpfull.
Crusty.
Cross the channel then straight on for 200miles or rather 320kms. ;)
Well done Crusty, this'll be good to see.
Keep us updated. ;D
Mark
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Hi mate, i did sort of get the gist of getting over or under the channel then a bit further along, I was hoping for some details of how to get tickets for the Elephant and i understand that the Tourentrffen is invite only. Dont really wantt og all that way just for one rally. Any ideas as to what bike/chair combo would be best. Dont really want to spend the earth till i find out if 3 wheels are for me or not.
Crusty
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Crusty,
little steps my friend,the Elefantentreffen is just ride there and pay on the gate,
back in 2000 a few of us went all that way just for one rally,
and TBH im glad i did,there are a few of us that still do that first German rally,it was and still is like nothing ive done before,
i went on a solo two up that year and i gotta say it wasnt that hard for me,cold yes!,hard no :D
is an outfit for you?,personally i say yes,i think you'd love it,you're more than welcome to ride mine to see if and how you would get on with one
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You Tiger boys stick together.
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You Tiger boys stick together.
Mark i know you wanna be in our gang!,i dont think it'll be much longer ;)
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I'd love to, umm I'm on £0 an hour so thats works out to..........never. :(
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Thanks Julian for the kind offer of a ride on your beast, (no comments from 002 or Boyd please ;D) I know i will have to start off slowly, hence to post for any advice and hints. I will not get rid of the Tiger as i still want the option of just going out on a solo bike when i want. Just that i fancy that "fuck it, pack it" option you sidecar guys seem to have with what you can bring to a weekend meeting. Also i like the friendly attitude of the guys that turn at the rallies i go to on outfits. Not that the two wheeled bikers are unfriendly.... LOL
Crusty
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Tiger and chair needs a subframe, and leading link forks. May be to start, a lightish sidecar, on a bike with a tubular frame. Then if you don't like it, not too much outlay.
Cheapest option is usually to buy a ready constructed outfit, as the cost of fittings etc can be expensive.
Hedingham sidecars are nice, so are Wasp, Watsonian/Squire are the most plentiful but quite dated designs.
Continental touring needs a bike with plenty of power to cruise easily at 100-120 kph, unless light chair.
Give us your ideal bike and I am sure many people will offer advice. ;D
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Crusty,
ever wondered what your bike would look like with a chair.......................................................................... ;)
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/DSCF2742.jpg)
or maybe a Girlie with one............................................................. ;)
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/CanaidianTiger.jpg)
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GIT, now i have something else to look for on E-bay....... :'(
Crusty
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Crusty,
back in 2000 a few of us went all that way just for one rally,
and TBH im glad i did,there are a few of us that still do that first German rally,it was and still is like nothing ive done before,
Most important bit of kit---SNOW SHOVEL, isnt that right Jules!!! I still hold fond memories of that trip.
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LOL, yeah, that magic "er... how do we put our tents up?" moment when we all just stood there looking clueless.
Followed, for me and Simon, a few hours later by the less amusing "bollocks, our sleeping bags are rubbish" moment.
GC
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Crusty,
ever wondered what your bike would look like with a chair.......................................................................... ;)
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/DSCF2742.jpg)
I've seen that one, or one identical in Chepstow. Looked bloody lovely.
Crusty you still have the Ten or has that gone?
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I still hold fond memories of that trip.
As do we all Gags,as do we all ;)
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looks lovely but as someone who has owned and built more than his fair share of outfits over the years, that chair is pretty impractical for 95% of the time you will be using it.
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looks lovely but as someone who has owned and built more than his fair share of outfits over the years, that chair is pretty impractical for 95% of the time you will be using it.
Oh! do tell,why is my chair impractical for 95% of the time ???
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/img_0544.jpg)
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looks lovely but as someone who has owned and built more than his fair share of outfits over the years, that chair is pretty impractical for 95% of the time you will be using it.
Oh! do tell,why is my chair impractical for 95% of the time ???
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/img_0544.jpg)
It's perfect.......to stop it falling over on the recovery truck.... and for carrying my huge screen.
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looks lovely but as someone who has owned and built more than his fair share of outfits over the years, that chair is pretty impractical for 95% of the time you will be using it.
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It's a luggage platform when you need to carry things like big tents or crates of beer or firewood, it's got a seat (unlike mine) for anyone who wants lift, it'd take ten minutes with a jigsaw to knock up sides and carry a dog. The whole outfit is light and powerful with good ground clearance and space for the passenger to earn their keep on the . Can't see anything else you could possibly want short of Duodrive type stuff and a built in cocktail cabinet.
Andy
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It's perfect.......to stop it falling over on the recovery truck.... and for carrying my huge screen.
LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
CAN CARRY URE OWN S HIT FROM NOW ON YER GREAT LUG!!!
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Yes i still have the Ten, but it will be up for sale soon to pay for my other toys and top up the war fund to keep the solicitor at bay :o. Where are these chairs to be had Julien? I am looking at outfits on E-bay and you dont get much decent for under 4K by the look of it? Why not spend that (when i sort the spare cash out...) and get that chair on the black Tiger put on mine which i know is a good bike?
Crusty
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we looked at one, but it wasnt really much use. the passenger got just as wet as on the bike, you cant take the kids in it cos its not that secure, its a bit open for keeping them snug and dry. i suppose on the rare occasion you take it offroad, its handy cos the passenger if they were so inclined could lean out and help things stay on an even keel. but as most outfits are used as practical transport, aside from keeping the bike upright, i cant see these having any more advantages over a solo bike. we ended up with an oxford, it was stable warm dry and could be used for carting all sorts of stuff with you if needed or just transporting two or more warm and dry and thus happy contented children. cos nothing is gonna put the kids off bikes quicker than a regular soaking with rain.
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I had a combo once - MZ250 with a Squire dart chair.
nuf said really, aye sexual???
Steff
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Ahhhh!,
i see what you are on about now,not practical for kids and keeping warm and dry and snug.................Duh! 100% not,
it might not be practical for those of us that just want to take kids on a jolly,or use as an off road chair although i have :P(15%),
all outfits are practical no matter how big,small ,wide one seat no seats or 4,i don't know how many kids you have?,i take it more than one, but for you to even
look at the ETH was a bit dull in the first place,
whats not practical for you doesn't mean its not practical for the next guy who doesn't have to consider anyone but himself and all the crap he wants to carry,
an Oxford would be to big for me and therefore not dare i say it practical
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Best outfit is attached to your mates bike. That way he can carry the beer & gear and you get to play. ;D
Nowt wrong/impractical with Sexual's set-up. Had a lovely ride and brought 5 sacks of firewood back to camp. Result!
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I rode a lot of combos in the 70's, nearly every cheap old british bike I bought came with a chair, they ranged from the ladder rack on a Panther to the old busses most plunger A10's seemed to have. I always got some scaffold boards and nailed together a box, perfect for carrying 6 pissed greasers from one pub to another;-) I carried 20 bags of cement for a mate, flattened the tyres out and was almost impossible to steer, but we didn't have a car and had to get the cement;-)
German info you can probably get if from a classic bike forum member, think his names ash, he owns a hotel in Hertz[?] mountains, pics of his place always have a load of bikes in the pictures.
That black tiger makes me want a combo.
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Hi all, I have no interest in sidecars (well not yet), but I went to the Guzzi Quota Rally in Denmark this year and a German, living in St Petersberg came across with his 6yr old son on a Guzzi Quota 1100 with a German made chair that was attached by two Rod end bearings (about 20mm bolts), one in front of the engine and one behind the gearbox, on a subframe. On the rideout on Sunday, there was another German with a conventionally mounted chair and following both on the twisty roads, the pivoting chair looked so much more stable over the dips and bumps on the paved roads. He also said that it took about 10mins to remove the chair, and his lad was happy as well.
Dave.
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Hi all, I have no interest in sidecars (well not yet), but I went to the Guzzi Quota Rally in Denmark this year and a German, living in St Petersberg came across with his 6yr old son on a Guzzi Quota 1100 with a German made chair that was attached by two Rod end bearings (about 20mm bolts), one in front of the engine and one behind the gearbox, on a subframe. On the rideout on Sunday, there was another German with a conventionally mounted chair and following both on the twisty roads, the pivoting chair looked so much more stable over the dips and bumps on the paved roads. He also said that it took about 10mins to remove the chair, and his lad was happy as well.
Dave.
Quota outfit,again with a supposed not practical type chair :P
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/EGT%2009/img_1299.jpg)
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/EGT%2009/img_1301.jpg)
the pivoting chair also known a Schwenker Gespann
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Always fancied a Quota but not with a chair....
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whats not practical for you doesn't mean its not practical for the next guy who doesn't have to consider anyone but himself and all the crap he wants to carry
True, but...... you need a monkey to keep in on the road... and even then :o
I got really wet and cold in this chair. :-X
I had several chairs. Most of them family rigs. The one that does it all, doesn´t exist. So I think I will be changing mine again. It will be an AUS. All Use Sidecar. Instead of a Family, Dual Sport, Winter, Summer, Off-Road, RTW, ADV or whatever.
It will have to go 100 Mph on the Autobahn, it will have to be able to carry at least one adult completely dry and warm in the chair, it will have a lot of luggage space, it will have to be able to tow a trailer and it will have to be able to go down the elephant site in 2 feet of snow and up again, without any worries (2WD). I´ve got the basis. But still a lot of work.
An AUS Sidecar doesn´t exist yet, that´s what I try to say.
Richard-NL 8)
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but...... you need a monkey to keep in on the road... and even then :o
Richard-NL 8)
Rubbish!,
that must be the reason i dont use it all the time ::)...............on my own
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Rubbish!,
that must be the reason i dont use it all the time ::)...............on my own
Don´t understand rubbish. Is that a vegetable? ???
If a sidecar outfit is used for just for one person, a luggage box would be more appropriate than a off road chair with a seat. When it´s empty you ride on two wheels most of the time.
But that´s just my opinion. What do I know?
If you like it, you like it. If it´s the best thing for you. Go ahead! Sidecars are irrational most of the times. That´s for sure.
So are their riders. ::)
And I like that.
Richard-NL 8)
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Don´t understand rubbish. Is that a vegetable? ???
Richard-NL 8)
Yes!,
its green and leafy like,almost a cabbage!
If a sidecar outfit is used for just for one person, a luggage box would be more appropriate than a off road chair with a seat.
Richard-NL 8)
Granted,
if you knew that you would never take a passenger/monkey
When it´s empty you ride on two wheels most of the time.
Richard-NL 8)
Um..........................
no....,infact you ride on all three most of the time,well i do anyway,it is easier to "fly the wheel" with a monkeyless chair,but a good rider(me ::)) can compensate for the
empty chair
But that´s just my opinion. What do I know?
Richard-NL 8)
Oh come come Richard!!,
you have a great knowledge of sidecars,doesnt mean you're always right though :P
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Oi, Crusty you want to have a peep at this.............
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458888
Tiggers make amazing outfits! ;D
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Rubbish!,
that must be the reason i dont use it all the time ::)...............on my own
Don´t understand rubbish. Is that a vegetable? ???
If a sidecar outfit is used for just for one person, a luggage box would be more appropriate than a off road chair with a seat. When it´s empty you ride on two wheels most of the time.
Richard-NL 8)
Oh no, not the great Artichoke debate again :-X :o ;D
I made a luggage box because the combination of loads matches. Solo and camping gear. Me, the dog and the camping gear. Me and stuff I bought at the DIY place. Me, the wife, the dog and the camping gear. It all works. The one that doesn't fit is if the wife wants to go out on a snowy day without the dog (We use her car) or if I want to give someone a lift (managed five miles with no load in the chair last year to get a cyclist to a shop, but wouldn't fancy much further with the chair lifting like that).
Andy
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No, like this Quota.
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