Steve , I did not make the rack myself. I bought the tube, got a friend [ heating engineer] to bend it to my pattern and got another friend [blacksmith] to weld it. It is not yet on the bike so I don't know how well it works. I am thinking of getting my own pipe bending tool and welder to save having to impose on friends who are not interested in doing it on a commercial basis and if they were it would be expensive. I will post pictures when it is on the bike and let you know how well it works. mart