Thumper Club Forum
Technical => Project Progress => Topic started by: hondamichael on March 01, 2007, 02:10:40 AM
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i always have some problems
when i make hollidays with the bike or when i go shopping .... space i was looking for a sidecar frame with wheel , and attach a roofbox for cars on it that should sort out my space problem once and for all , my 250 is stron enough to pull a sidecar ...ok topspeed may drop a bit
problem 1: my budged is low very low and nearly does not exist at all in the moment
problem 2: i have no garage
problem 3 i have no tools to fit anything
problem 4 my bike is my only form of transport
any ideas how i could realise the project in a couple month ?
i would also suggest getting something like that
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/squire-two-seater-sidecar_W0QQitemZ320086602396QQihZ011QQcategoryZ36796QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
it would be ideal if its starts heavy raining or snowing to have a dry place , i could even stay a night in it on a longer trip , but i`m concerned if it might be a bit on the heavy side , but then in the 50`s they had heavy steel sidecars on their bikes wich had even less power compare to the 20 bhp of my 250 and there would still be the money and how to fit it problem
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Have you though about a trailer for behind the bike easy and cheap to have one made no problem attaching and removing although you will not be able to sleep in it you would be able to carry lots of extras if you go camping.
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the sleeping inside the sidecar was only a funny idea
yes i thought about a trailer , one wheel trailer for the obvious reasons , narrow as the bike itself does not influens the handling negative while cornering , because its leaning into the corner like the bike , had one years ago behind my vespa ...it was a pav40 from the czech republic , i dont fancy the idea of a two wheeled trailer , other thing is my 250 has a nice plastic body and it would be a sacreleg to cut out bits to fit a hook of some sort , and another prob as stated i`m on road parking , have no garage so nowhere to store it , ok might be possible at some mates but i dont fancy the idea if i need to go shopping to ride 10 miles to get the trailer and then go shopping 3 miles away from home and after bring back the trailer then ride home again , because if i park it here somewhere it will get nicked within the first 24 hours , so a sidecar is the more convenient form of transport , and i`ve ridden a bike with sidecar before and it made realy fun to ride especially in these twisties on a tour in the swiss alps (gpz305 with velorex sidecar of a mate )
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I'd wait to see if a velorex chair comes up on Ebay, especially the big wheel version ( they just look better imho).
They are light chairs and well made.
As for fitting, there are a number of charioteers in the club who can help out with advice. If you are lucky you can get a velorex with most of the fittings you will need.
Another option might be the lightweight Squire Dart like the one smudge fitted:
(http://www.thumperclub.com/photos/2006/thumper43c6a5d5ba818.jpg)
Cheers
GC
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i look out for a velorex or squire sidecar , the squire looks very light
just found in my owners manual this part :
this motorcycle was not designed to pull a sidecar or trailer , handling may be seriously impaired if so equipped
but i think no motorcycle was designed with the intension to pull a sidecar anyway apart perhaps the older MZ or BMW or URAL ....to name a few
so no problem there , if handling gets too bad there may still be the option of fitting leading link forks
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and another thing what brought me against the trailer behind the motorcycle ...i want to ravel also in europe
and in spain are trailer`s behind motorcycles not allowed , in germany you are limited to a topspeed of 60km/h/40mph even on german autobahns !!so you are slower then a lorry which are allowed to do 50mph and even a car with a modern caravan is allowed to do 62mph
and they are very happy to give you a fine if you go faster :-(
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The squire is indeed VERY light. With a bag of sand in the chair it will still lift the chair wheel with very little provocation. (I was followed to a local bike shop by a friend and when I said I thought I'd only lifted the chair wheel twice he looked at me oddly and said "you lifted the wheel on almost every left hander, the ones you're talking about it was WAY off the ground.." :o
Goes well though ;)
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i think the lifting the chair is part of the fun with a combo,
and with a solo bike on hollidays you always have to remember and plan where to put what so it stays half way balanced ,and its still always a compromise on a solo bike ,some things you always have to leave at home because its to heavy or to wide or to long and after the first campside in the early morning the confusing question where was everything on the bike or how did i manage to get all this stuff in the topbox yesterday ?
(i talk about 2- 3 weeks hollidays ,for a weekend away a solobike is ok )
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2 weeks two up on RD500 camping on IoM - it all seemed to fit into a pair of throw overs, a tank bag and a climbing sack, with the tent strapped across the back. Mind do not need too thick - a - sleeping bag with a fiesty young filly in tow. And when it rain (as it does) you need to go to the pub to dry out.
Never ridden a charriot - they look fun but I would worry that I would do what a friend did about two weeks after passing his car test - tried to filter past a queue of traffic at some lights.
Concluded that having to reverse back past all the traffic was less embatrrasing than if he had tried to filter between the queues
R
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i know it works with panniers ,bags ,tent, have done a trip to spain /south france on a honda dax 70with girlfriend on the back , everything is possible
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i know it works with panniers ,bags ,tent, have done a trip to spain /south france on a honda dax 70with girlfriend on the back , everything is possible
Splutter! Whaaaaaaat?! A Dax 70?
Blimey :-)
GC
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its realy a good touring bike space for two +luggage and still does 200mpg ok its not the fastest topspeed 40mph , 35mph two up , but it is real fun to ride and it gets you wherever you want to ride
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Isn't it time that the side cars were ditched for something more cool ?
Just put a trailer behind one of these !
http://www.flytheroad.com/
And I totally agree with Richard Hammond about the guns / missile launchers
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we had all this before in the 50`s /60in the days when people could not afford proper cars
look
http://www.kabinenroller.de/fotos/kr200/show.asp?now=04&count=12
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Isn't it time that the side cars were ditched for something more cool ?
Just put a trailer behind one of these !
http://www.flytheroad.com/
I rather fancy I could keep one of these on the road. All the same its not the Bullet or the ETZ or........
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But he doesn't seem to have set it up well... it appears to have lean in instead of lean out:
(http://i7.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/90/0b/5da1_12.JPG)
Click here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-CLASSIC-HONDA-CB400A-CB-400-A-T-VELOREX-SIDECAR_W0QQitemZ130086382530QQihZ003QQcategoryZ9806QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) to view auction
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See this ebay auction (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MOTORBIKE-SQUIRE-SIDECAR_W0QQitemZ260092561393QQihZ016QQcategoryZ25632QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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we had all this before in the 50`s /60in the days when people could not afford proper cars
look
http://www.kabinenroller.de/fotos/kr200/show.asp?now=04&count=12
Probably just as much fun but without the leaning and a turbo......
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But he doesn't seem to have set it up well... it appears to have lean in instead of lean out:
(http://i7.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/90/0b/5da1_12.JPG)
Click here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-CLASSIC-HONDA-CB400A-CB-400-A-T-VELOREX-SIDECAR_W0QQitemZ130086382530QQihZ003QQcategoryZ9806QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) to view auction
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i think it may be right you should dajust the leaning angle if someone sits on the bike , some bikes have a very soft suspension and if you adjust it right it may lean to far out once you sit on it
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See this ebay auction (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MOTORBIKE-SQUIRE-SIDECAR_W0QQitemZ260092561393QQihZ016QQcategoryZ25632QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
it would be perfect for me if i had a garage to store it /to work on it and someone who could pick it up , because the price is more then ok in the moment
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Maybe
http://www.peraves.ch/
Remember reading aboput the Ecomobile years ago - what happens when a glider designer wants to ride his bike 100km to and from work in all weathers across the Swiss German border.
R
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I luuuuurve the Ecomobile, and it's so fast!
But surely there must come a day when the little stabilisers don't pop out in time?
I'm a bit daffy about FF bikes and the NX-based Alligator (http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/alligator_home.html) would suit me down to the ground. :)
(http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/images/a6cover2.jpg)
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it would be perfect for me if i had a garage to store it /to work on it and someone who could pick it up , because the price is more then ok in the moment
Anyone able to pick it up if Hondamichael bids on it? I'm guessing transport to his place could be arranged after teh event.
It's a bit like Smudge's chair - Steffan sold it, I picked it up, Smudge collected it. A good club effort.
GC
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it seems like i will have to get a new one ..they are not as expenciv as i thought they would be
here some i would say are perfect for my needs (luggage)
(http://www.daeschlein.de/galerie/1/2002-xdc12502-06-daeschlein-gespanne-sidecars.jpg)
(http://www.daeschlein.de/galerie/4/2004-10-MadAss%20mit%20Transport-SW%20005.jpg)
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The squire is indeed VERY light. With a bag of sand in the chair it will still lift the chair wheel with very little provocation. (I was followed to a local bike shop by a friend and when I said I thought I'd only lifted the chair wheel twice he looked at me oddly and said "you lifted the wheel on almost every left hander, the ones you're talking about it was WAY off the ground.." :o
Goes well though ;)
Yes, I wonder about that. I've been aware of a couple of sidecar wheel lifty moments recently, but maybe these are only the serious ones, and my wheel is usually skimming the ground on left handers. Who knows? Maybe I should carry some ballast ;-)
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You know you'll be everyones friend on a camping trip, youll still get wet and youll get stuck in traffic. On the plus side carrying beer is easier and you often end up giving lifts to girlee's if you have one with seats too. Mine had 4 , it could be fun :)
I have a watsonian oxford double adult stashed away that was factory fitted to a new gt750 kawasaki by the previous owner who was a little old man that never went over 25mph in years of use, and while it was great fun and did donuts going anticlockwise and managed a 14 second quarter at the bulldog bash one year, I have no real desire to re hook it back on and revist the world of back pain on long journeys from fighting the bars in long sweeping fast bends. And you probally dont want me to mention the incident that involved testing with three bags of cement in the chair so it didnt lift and mental corner speeds only to discover that instead of lifting it skids! Destroying a armco barrier in the centre of the roundabout and pinning me to the remains by the burning hot exaust requiring me to run over my own leg to get free.
However, even the double adult doesnt really weigh much and its like a small greenhouse on the side of your bike (we got 7 people in/on the combo one day looning round going to a pub), its mostly fibreglass with a small peripheral tube frame, and I can manhandle it around on my own off the bike easy, and Ive been told big ones are so much more manageable. Your probally better off and safer having one on a thumper mind. All the time I really got in trouble excess speed or throttle had significant parts to play in...
The warning about being unsuited for sidecar use refers to the frame, not many modern bikes have a frame suitable for the attachment for the swan necks etc, but if the chair manufacturer is offering one for that bike, theyve already made and tested one or two you can be sure. Some of the statements are just avoiding product liability ("I bought a R1, attached a double adult sidecar and the frame cracked and I killed 3 of my passengers, lets sue yamaha!!!").
No my chair isnt for sale, besides my xt and sp's I also own a couple of kawasaki turbo's and they share exactly the same frame layout as the gt750 did, making my factory attachment kit a bolt on. Now that could really be fun :)
Ive got to add, that if its snowing or icy, Id much rather be on my sp than on a outfit, at least I can pull that out of a ditch when it goes wrong and I stand more chance of staying in control in general. Maybe if I had a wasp for bad weather things would be different...
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i know it works with panniers ,bags ,tent, have done a trip to spain /south france on a honda dax 70with girlfriend on the back , everything is possible
what?!?!?!?! you went touring on one of these with your girlfriend???
(http://www.bikez.com/pictures/honda/1979/17282_0_1_2_st%2070%20dax_Submitted%20by%20anonymous%20user..jpg)
all 5 horses!!!! wooho!!
damien
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yes boze
i did ,only mod was a demountable fuel tank of a monke z50j fitted on the frame for a better range (1 gallon more fuel came handy) and a front rack for the tent the complet tour was about 1700 miles in total , it coped well only problem was i needed the rack welded in south france otherwise it was grat fun ..ok i was 17 back then , but i did the same tour again without girlfriend about 6 years ago again and it still was great fun