Author Topic: Up & away!  (Read 30934 times)

trophydave

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2009, 05:25:11 PM »
I have read several books on this and the most popular bike seems to be a BMW I think its called the R80. Says you cant fix with about 4 spanners and get parts all over the world.
Ken

If you decide not to use the CB500 and want a BMW R80 a mate of mine has got one that I reckon he would sell.It's not a GS but then it would not be GS price.I am pretty sure that it would need some work to get it ready.It's not far from you,just the other side of Nottingham.

OMEGAMAN

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2009, 12:23:08 AM »
 :'(
      If I had to buy a bike to do the trip, then a BMW it would be, but, like I said before, I have to do this with very few pennies!  & that means using something that I already own (no great outlay?)

    Just as a matter of interest!  what sort of money & condition???? (so I can cry myself to sleep!)

   John........

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2009, 11:48:58 AM »

 Photos of said CB500 ATW ratbike should be in the project section soon?  ::)

trophydave

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2009, 08:15:31 PM »
:'(
    Just as a matter of interest!  what sort of money & condition???? (so I can cry myself to sleep!)..

I wouldn't cry too much.I have only seen it in the back of a van in the dark.R80 mono,was an RT but no fairing now.I think it is an ex police bike.Horrible king and queen seat.Tank cover under which my mate says there is no paint,just bare metal.It could make a good project if cheap enough but I have been told ''no more projects,go and get a nice bike'' gasps in amazement.

Andy M

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2009, 07:21:10 AM »
I have read several books on this and the most popular bike seems to be a BMW I think its called the R80. Says you cant fix with about 4 spanners and get parts all over the world.

Bugger if I was free and single would love to attempt something like this.

Ken

The books seem to have hit a bit of a platea. Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook is so good no on has really done anything like it since. This was written in the early 1990's and while updated since he add's rather than rewrites.

This means while he talks about the condition and preparation in another chapter the R80GS stuff is as it was in about 1995 when rather than a 20 year old bike with mising gearbox circlips and worn drive splines, you could get a six year old bike and do what you liked using bits from 8 year old scrappers. The competition on 1995 was a Tenere that was equally out of production and used the same technology made to a lower price.

In to the mix also goes people who just won't give up on the old beasts. There is a guy who pops up on HUBB that will tell everyone that an R80GS is the ultimate bike. His however isn't off e-bay yesterday, it's a HPN frame and forks with a R1100 FI system, reworked gearbox and specially made hardened final drive. This is an air-cooled flat twin, but for what he's put into into he could have had a new BM and a new Tenere.

If Chris Scott had included 20 year old bikes when he'd written the AMH, Ted Simon's Triumph would have been in there too! It is, but it's lumped in a general section called rat bikes.

IMHO, it's about the condition of the bike and your knowledge of of, not what the marketing man or authors back when tell you. The CB500 is pretty close to a modern version of Ted Simons Jupiter, so I say that's the better machine.

Andy

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2009, 02:10:33 PM »
I have read several books on this and the most popular bike seems to be a BMW I think its called the R80. Says you cant fix with about 4 spanners and get parts all over the world.

Bugger if I was free and single would love to attempt something like this.

Ken

The books seem to have hit a bit of a platea. Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook is so good no on has really done anything like it since. This was written in the early 1990's and while updated since he add's rather than rewrites.

This means while he talks about the condition and preparation in another chapter the R80GS stuff is as it was in about 1995 when rather than a 20 year old bike with mising gearbox circlips and worn drive splines, you could get a six year old bike and do what you liked using bits from 8 year old scrappers. The competition on 1995 was a Tenere that was equally out of production and used the same technology made to a lower price.

In to the mix also goes people who just won't give up on the old beasts. There is a guy who pops up on HUBB that will tell everyone that an R80GS is the ultimate bike. His however isn't off e-bay yesterday, it's a HPN frame and forks with a R1100 FI system, reworked gearbox and specially made hardened final drive. This is an air-cooled flat twin, but for what he's put into into he could have had a new BM and a new Tenere.

If Chris Scott had included 20 year old bikes when he'd written the AMH, Ted Simon's Triumph would have been in there too! It is, but it's lumped in a general section called rat bikes.

IMHO, it's about the condition of the bike and your knowledge of of, not what the marketing man or authors back when tell you. The CB500 is pretty close to a modern version of Ted Simons Jupiter, so I say that's the better machine.

Andy

 Thanks for that Andy,   I am with you on the last sentance especially................John RG

guest7

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2009, 07:43:32 AM »

 Photos of said CB500 ATW ratbike should be in the project section soon?  ::)

Man that's yellow!  :D

Mine rattles like a bastard as well until the clutch is engaged. The mechanic I use (and trust implicitly) says "they all do that, you daft twat" (he has no bedside manner).

GC

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2009, 09:03:43 AM »
Terry Hobbs was his Mentor you fuckwit  ;D

R

OMEGAMAN

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2009, 04:25:00 PM »

 Sorry Rog!  you lost me on that one!

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2009, 06:44:53 PM »
If you head east, get a MZ. Cheap to buy and spares would be available in the ex soviet block due to standardised parts etc.

OMEGAMAN

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2009, 07:35:20 PM »
If you head east, get a MZ. Cheap to buy and spares would be available in the ex soviet block due to standardised parts etc.

 Thanks but no!  I have the cb500 that looks like the one (I already own it!) so no initial outlay?  I'm going to be doing the whole thing on a shoestring, so every little bit will help (hence, I will take up some of the members offers shortly!)


 Also,  It looks like my 1st choice route of   Ship to USA, spend time touring round there + Canada & Mexico? seems like it will be fairly pricey?  So! my other choice of route might be Europe, down to Spain or Italy, cross the Med to Nth Africa, travel along to Egypt, then head south through Kenya etc? to Sth Africa.   Boat???  to Sth America (Brazil?) tootle around there for a while, then head up towards Mexico/USA etc.  Then ship?? to Australia,  nip around there, then head north (boat again?) to Indonisia/Malaysia, into S/E Asia, MAYBE? up into China then down into India (or maybe vise versa?) & either ferry from India across to Saudi/Yemen then Jordan Syria Turkey & northern Europe?  OR back across Nth Africa & cross the Med again?

 I know I make it sound simple! but you get the idea!      ps.4 strokes only!

                                                                   cheers, John RG
 

Andy M

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2009, 06:58:14 AM »
If you head east, get a MZ. Cheap to buy and spares would be available in the ex soviet block due to standardised parts etc.

MZ parts are getting rare. There are no 300cc barrels/pistons to be had and the pre-ETZ models are now well in classic territory so prices are rising.

Honda have been in Russia etc. for 20 years,so you'll find dealers that while mostly seeing CG125's and the clones (superior to Urals etc.) will understand CB500 parts. The only places Eastern Block 2-strokes seem to survive is Vietnam (Minsk fighting a loosing battle against Hero Honda), Cuba and Iraq.

Andy

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2009, 08:23:07 AM »

 Sorry Rog!  you lost me on that one!

Terry Hobbs was a motorcycle dealer/engine builder. He was famed for his 'forthright' manner. I chatted to him on the phone for half an hour once and I learnt at least five new swear words.

GC

OMEGAMAN

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2009, 09:29:46 PM »

 Can anybody help?    have won a couple of cheap panniers (for my RTW bike?)

  BUT!  I didn't realise that there was no posting!  & have to collect them from SE15 (nr. Lewisham)

  Does anyone live / work / party / pass through? that area during the next week & can possibly oick them up for me? hold onto them till I can collect (from Derby)

  They are paid for already so should be no problems?

       If anybody could help,  please give me a ring  on 07930916509  cheers, John.....

trophydave

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Re: Up & away!
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2009, 06:18:31 AM »
John,if you are stuck could you get the seller to pack them up then you arrange collection by a courier.I have used Parcel2go.com to do this a few times.