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guest27

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St Georges Day
« on: April 23, 2009, 08:46:45 AM »
So we English tend to be a little circumspect about our patron saint - but today is his day, and the birth day and dying day of Old Will

Though that this was a fitting song for St George.

Sorry any Scots, Welsh, Irish, Aussies etc, we are allowed to be English and proud of it now and again...

Vid is a little violent BTW

R

[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6MS_OEVnk4&feature=related]Bruce Dickinson "Jerusalem"[/url]

I remember him when he was "Bruce Bruce" - in Samson I think along with Thundersticks?
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Richard 003

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 11:55:21 AM »
Quote from: Rog on April 23, 2009, 08:46:45 AM
So we English tend to be a little circumspect about our patron saint - but today is his day, and the birth day and dying day of Old Will

Though that this was a fitting song for St George.

Sorry any Scots, Welsh, Irish, Aussies etc, we are allowed to be English and proud of it now and again...

Vid is a little violent BTW

R

[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6MS_OEVnk4&feature=related]Bruce Dickinson "Jerusalem"[/url]

I remember him when he was "Bruce Bruce" - in Samson I think along with Thundersticks?

Stirring stuff  ::) But at the very end: "Here is Jerusalem bound in chains, in the dens of [video stops]" In the dens of what? We should be told.

R.
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Richard 003

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 12:02:31 PM »


Music. Play loud  :D

(someone is waving a Welsh flag in one shot, and may not have got the point  ;)  )

Regards
Richard
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guest18

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 01:00:18 PM »
Cheers Rog, just spent a happy hour listening to the best tunes from Maidens "Killers" album on youtube and reliving my youth lol  8)

As for apologising to the Celts... one of the Englishmen at work hung a George's Cross flag over his desk the other year and sat back awaiting abuse and was instead astonished by the number of people commenting how it was nice to see someone who had a bit of pride about his country  ;)

Our flags, and indeed the union flag, are our own, NOT the neo nazis or skinheads or whoever chooses to misappropriate them... let's not be ashamed of them, or our country(/ries)  :)

ps. You do realise that my neighbours are about to hate you once I get downstairs and dig out my old records....  :o ;D
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Steffan

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 01:01:14 PM »
He is also the patron saint of Catalonia. He was probably a Palestinian or at a minimum a soldier in Palestine in the fourth century and was martyred in 304 during the persecution of Diocletian. He was known in the east as the Great Martyr. He replaced Edward the Confessor as patron saint of England in the 13th century (I think) and was made patron of the order of the garter. He was venerated in these Isles before the Norman conquest (French) but there was a resurgence in interest in his cult as peoples returned from the crusades.

So exactly what you poms have to be crowing about I don't know, but in the spirit of Christian goodwill, by all means carry on, if it makes you feel better.

Steffan
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Steffan

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 01:02:35 PM »
Actually Wales is not represented on the Union flag.

Steffan
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guest18

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 01:06:07 PM »
Quote from: Steffan on April 23, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
....So exactly what you poms have to be crowing about I don't know,....

Great heavy metal of course... what else?  ;) ;D
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Richard

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 01:35:03 PM »

Wrong Patron Saint.  Edward the Confessor, last but one English King.  I believe, but may be wrong here, that it is to be celebrated on 13th October.

And Wales is indeed represented on the Union Flag, as part of England - see the various Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542.

Regards,

Richard (waiting for the flame wars to start)
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guest27

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 02:19:18 PM »
George is also PS of Portugal and Germany I think.

Wales is not a separate Nation and has never been.  It is only Wales because it is the 'foreigners' to the Saxons - ie the bit that had not been 'Saxonised'.  Those bits and pieces clubbed together and fell apart for some years and were eventually made part of the "Kingdom of England and Wales" - the area is a number of Principalities who stood together or defeated each other with a common foe - "the English" - who ever they are.

Edward I did a lot to make Wales a single entity - but he considered himself a Norman lord with the English crown, the first King post Norman invasion to consider himself an English king rather than just king of England was Edward III

DNA analysis shows that like the people of Wales are like the rest of the UK a mixed mongrel lot with little Celtic blood, in all probability the "Welsh" are descended from the Basques region and not from the Germanic Celts

The Scots are actually Irish - having driven out the Hibernian and pictish peoples

We are Metisse

Or so I understand

R
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guest18

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 02:47:08 PM »
"The Scots are actually Irish - having driven out the Hibernian and pictish peoples"

Hmmm without getting into a flame war, somewhat of an oversimplification!

The "Scots" certainly came from Ireland and moved / integrated with some of the then indigenous peoples, indeed the West Coast still has a strong Irish influence but they certainly did not "drive out" all the existing peoples.

Ignoring individual cases, I understand there are Norse, Pictish and Hibernian bloodlines in various parts of Scotland, as well as the Irish influence, and that ignores the extremely longstanding links with France, and with Germany (even down to elements of our language, Kirk and Kirche for instance, or Ashet as a large serving dish)

Don't believe the BBC weather map, Scotland is a deceptively large and diverse lump of land, my background is as different to the Billy Connolly stereotype as a cockney to a yorkshireman...

Of course if you're just attempting to wind people up then crack on and ignore my last  ;) ;D
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guest18

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 02:49:14 PM »
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Bruce

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 03:26:10 PM »
Its my Birthday as well today

Bruce (21 again)
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xbruby

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 03:48:13 PM »
Quote from: Steffan on April 23, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
He is also the patron saint of Catalonia.
Steffan


And Portugal too - allegedly  ;)
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xbruby

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 03:53:44 PM »
Incidentally, why is it that the Paddy's have the biggest party in the world to celebrate their patron saint who it just so happened was Welsh! No snake stories, please!  :o
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Steffan

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Re: St Georges Day
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 03:56:42 PM »
Quote from: Lavrentyuk on April 23, 2009, 01:35:03 PM

Wrong Patron Saint.  Edward the Confessor, last but one English King.  I believe, but may be wrong here, that it is to be celebrated on 13th October.

And Wales is indeed represented on the Union Flag, as part of England - see the various Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542.

Regards,

Richard (waiting for the flame wars to start)

That's what I said, I know who Edwards the bloody confessor was  ::) He was patron saint of England before George is all I was saying.
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