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Starting to hate Honda :-(
« on: January 25, 2009, 07:56:22 PM »
Just completed a weekend of tinkering on Dolly, and I'm just a tad p155ed off with Mr Honda. No one can deny the clever use of space, but by the cringe, she's an awkward cuss to work on. >:(To service the carb was a days work, half of that was just trying to get the thing out of there! What's going on with the crackcase breather too? Soooo complex. And who thought up a design for an airbox that has to have the carb out to remove (and I think the rear fender too!!!)

Why, with all that technical know how can't Honda design a front brake caliper that doesn't seize?? Only 9 months ago I had it stripped & rebuilt with stainless pistons to find it's gone again!

Yes, I have done all these jobs before, but this time the rosey specs were off and I was thinking to myself "WHY?" Why can't we have a modern machine of reasonable size that's designed for the home mechanic?? Surely there's enough brainpower out there to come up with common sense solutions to the engineering problems.
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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 09:44:31 PM »
You are of course dealing with the company who produced a pushrod twin with camchain problems  ??? (CX500 in case you were wondering).
Honda are sometimes far too clever for their own good! That said, when they produce a practical sensible bike we wont buy it because it's too dull.... go figure (as our transatlantic cousins like to say)

90% of bikes are built as fashion accessories because that's what we, as the average biker, will buy, 10% are sensible and bomb in the shops!

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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 09:53:43 PM »
Blimey, you would think that you didn't want to be indebted not only to the manufacturer but also their service and spares departments for the upkeep of your fine machine.

Unemployed motorcycle mechanics, dangerous alternative spares sources, terrible damage to the whole NVQ industry, less new bike sales.  In other words, a disaster.

Keep thinking the way you are and we'll have to send you off for a re-education course in the benefits of modern oligopolitistic capitalism.

Steady on.

Richard

Really of course we represent a market not worth selling much to.  We keep older bikes running for ages (not buying new ones), cobble repairs, modify, enjoy.  That puts the majority of us in the secondhand market.  We don't have much of a trade association and the government can't make us adapt to ever more stringent environmental regulations based solely on emissions rather than life cost.  

Drums don't often seize, of course they don't slow you down that much either.  Whats wrong with the good old surface evaporation carburretor either.  Who needs a gearbox, just swap belts, thats what I say.

And of course I rmember when we were all asking the Japanese to introduce a nice simple single, it would sell like hotcakes we said.  Seen many SR500s around recently, or even when new in the UK ?

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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 10:49:37 PM »

Why, with all that technical know how can't Honda design a front brake caliper that doesn't seize?? Only 9 months ago I had it stripped & rebuilt with stainless pistons to find it's gone again!


Honda dont make the calipers....or the forks....or the rear shocks....neither does any other M/C manufacturer.!
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 11:38:18 PM »
Had my dam carb off so many times had it down to 30 min each way. I thought the jet was blocking but it was the dashpot sticking up.

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 11:42:21 PM »
This is the NX650?  Airbox stays in you push the rubber back into it and leave the rubber intake to the head on. Seat,tank,side panels,pipes and cables and it comes through the gap directly above.

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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 06:38:41 PM »
This is the NX650?  Airbox stays in you push the rubber back into it and leave the rubber intake to the head on. Seat,tank,side panels,pipes and cables and it comes through the gap directly above.

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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 06:39:20 PM »

Why, with all that technical know how can't Honda design a front brake caliper that doesn't seize?? Only 9 months ago I had it stripped & rebuilt with stainless pistons to find it's gone again!


Honda dont make the calipers....or the forks....or the rear shocks....neither does any other M/C manufacturer.!
 :P :P :P :P :P

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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 08:39:31 PM »

No one likes a smart a*** >:( ;)

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 09:36:16 PM »
While we are talking Honda Carbs  Does anyone know the reason that the rubber diaphragm on the dashpot turns inside out and stays in the up position .The bore is smooth and the rubber don't look floppy. I have it off to a   fine art now a tap on the carb with a screwdriver and it falls back.

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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2009, 12:36:48 PM »
NOW !    I'm coming to the conclusion....no have decided that BMW G/Boxes are Total Sh1t !

Or at least the ones that are supposed to be Reconditioned by "Experts"...1500miles....should last a little longer I Think !

When mine comes back from Germany,going to get back in touch with the company that did it...see what they say.
Rebuild the old one or if they send me another I will still pull it apart and do it myself !
Got a Recon. to save myself the hassle.

Do it myself and just have myself to blame if it goes Tits Up again.


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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2009, 01:21:56 PM »
Or at least the ones that are supposed to be Reconditioned by "Experts"...1500miles....should last a little longer I Think !

Jethro, out of interest who reconditioned it ?. A mate of mine has a R100GS and is off travelling for a couple of years. When we changed the gearbox oil it was rather milky, not sure how long it was like it so no idea of the damage. At some point he may need a gearbox, so it would good to know who to avoid.
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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2009, 06:25:27 PM »
Surely though Ebay has changed the whole nature of Japanese bike ownership? In the days when Japanese parts were expensive AND hard to find, it made perfect sense to run a BMW twin with the corresponding huge availability of parts (aided by the marque's fondness for compatibility across the range... and even across the decades).

Now though we have ready access to large amounts of Jap spares via Ebay. It's got to the point where I can't see why I keep all those boxes of XBR spares acquired over the years. I'd be better off selling them now and just buying what I need when (and if) I need the bits.

It's partly why I bought a CB500, the amount of cheap stuff available for it is incredible.

The only niggle is the quality of Japanese wiring. I reckon any jap wiring loom over 20 years old is just a breakdown waiting to happen. I managed to snag a new loom from David Silver spares a few years ago so that's one less worry for me, but it's still a consideration when choosing what old banger to run.

Honda build and paint quality isn't terrible Pat... ask any Triumph owner  ;) Most of the running gear is close to bomb-proof. However I do agree that they can shoe-horn components in with scant regard for the mechanic and/or owner who has to work on the bike.

The brake pistons are piss-poor though. Has anyone found a decent alternative that will fit? It's a pain on the XBR because the calliper runs very close to the spokes so a lot of callipers won't fit.

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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2009, 08:15:25 PM »

 However I do agree that they can shoe-horn components in with scant regard for the mechanic and/or owner who has to work on the bike.


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I think that's the crux of my moan really. Very clever design, nice and neat, but a total stink to work on at home. Little things like the crankcase oil drain plug position, the spark plug, Fuse box position, the main fuse housing, the position of the CDI unit, the headlight adjustment screws! Loads of little things that could have been thought out better for Mr Joe Average.
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Re: Starting to hate Honda :-(
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2009, 08:34:39 PM »
Buy an enfield or an MZ and your moaning days are over