Chair Questions....

[guest7]

I gave my last spare complete sidecar away and the only other chassis I've got is earmarked for another project.

I also gave my Wasp chair to my brother...

I must be effing mad.
GC

[themoudie]

Here's the TUG!

Ebay: 220201564959

[guest7]

Oh yes...



Putting a sidecar on that would affect it about as much as strapping a rowing boat to a supertanker.

GC

[guest18]

Bet it doesn't stay at a sensible price for very long though... and if it does, what else is wrong with it and how much will it cost to fix 
Come on chaps, I'm trying to save money here, not spend it! and I know how much big fours cost to run, we'd be cheaper taking a van down there with my outfit in the back!!

[guest18]

I must be effing mad.
GC

Nope just demonstrating your generous nature  think of all the good karma your building up! 

[guest7]

My 500cc XBR outfit, loaded up, does 40mpg at best and 30mpg at worst. Fully loaded it struggles to reach 60mph but can cruise at 50 all day... unless you meet a headwind or hill.

That's with a heavier chair than yours and a 40t rear sprocket instead of 36t.

GC

[SteveC#222]

Smudge, re BMW/ Ural / Dnepr convertions.

You would need to find a Dnepr MT11 outfit with a blown engine - lots around as Dnepr made the cranks from chocolate!!  The dnepr was designed for hauling a chair unlike the Ural and has a slightly longer frame and the reverse gearbox which is a must as the look on peoples faces when you reverse out of a parking space is priceless!! (also annoys Goldwingers and probably GC   )  You also get the TLS front brake which is pretty good.

You'll need a donor BMW engine - go for the 800cc as the 650 is gutless and the 1000cc Will tear the cush drive apart and wreck the gearbox. But be warned the BM engines often need some remedial work on the cylinder heads.

The BM engine will bolt straight into the Dnepr chassis but you have to make up a plate to join the engine to the dnepr box as the engine has 5 mounting studs and the gearbox has4.  You also need a series 2 BMW clutch plate which has the same spline pattern as the Dnepr gearbox shaft.  You cannot use the BMW box unless you also use the driveshaft and bevel box as the drive shaft spins the opposite way to the Dnepr and you end up with 4 reverse gears!!  You also need to make sure the clutch is properly centred or it will rip the clutch apart.

You can run a car battery from the BM alternator in the boot of the chair.

It's a bit of hassle, butthey actually make a very nice handling outfit- or so I'm told by those that run them (my Ural was a solo).

If you did want to try this let me know as I know a couple of people who can probably give you much more info.


PS  The M72 is a 750cc sidevalve and cruises at 45-50 mph but willpull a tank up a mountain!!!  nice bikes but a bit slow.

......I'll go and put my anorak away now.....

[guest18]

THis is more tempting:
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or it would be if Squire didn't use the worst hood design I've ever seen on a road vehicle  
What is the point of a hood fixing that collects all the air deflected by the screen and acts like a giant sail   It's the same sort of fastening they use on mine and it is utter garbage! If it wasn't for that the chair would be ideal for what I want... (as long as we just pack two sleeping bags, two thermarests a cheap tent and a toothbrush each  )

[guest18]

ahhh now we're talking Steve I assume that MT11 outfits's are affordable in the post exploding crank state?
Do you know if anyone has a plan/diagram of the adaptor plate?

and yes, I'd be interested in getting more info even if only for technical interest, I presume if one was to use a BMW drivetrain you would be exchanging reverse gear for more reliability? Or are the gearboxes not that bad once they've been used for a while?

Please, put the anorak back on... it suits this particular thread 

[themoudie]

TUG and HAIRNET both in Scotland and all for <£800, Andy230 would be proud!

As for these MT11 or M72's, I have a friend who barrels a Cheng Yang around on sidecar tyres as a solo and performs with the reverse in pub carparks I will see if an image is available

He may also be aware of various old warhorses including Z something or others. Picked up a fully working but cosmeticaly challenged 1100 Custom thing for under £250! Again another good TUG.

My regards, 'Goodnightall'

[guest7]

THis is more tempting:
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or it would be if Squire didn't use the worst hood design I've ever seen on a road vehicle

To be fair, it's the same chair as mine and the hood (in place before the panzar op) did the job quite well.

It has to be high to clear the passenger's bonce.

If the reserve was below £300 this would be a good buy.

Cheers
GC

[SteveC#222]

Best place to pick up an MT11 would probably be through the classic type magazines or local small ads or the Cossack owners Club. They tend to get a bit expensive on Ebay etc.

I dont have a diagram but I'll see what I can find out.

The dnepr box is usually pretty reliable also the Dnepr/Ural cush drive is much better than the BMW  ( I use to run a BMW and the Ural cush was much smoother).

I'll have a dig around and get back to you   

[guest18]

TUG and HAIRNET both in Scotland and all for <£800, Andy230 would be proud!

HAIRNET 

[Andy M]

IMHO don't go mad looking for leading link forks. If you are under 70 and willing to change the front tyre (avoid ones with a central tread line, you want square section, block/cats paw tread types. MITAS and Heidenau do them) tele's work just fine on tourer/cruiser/naked type outfits. Even if the geometry of the tele's is a bit extreme, wider bars run cheaper than links.

Both the Triumph and the Ural run/ran tele's with no steering damper and are fine. The BMW ran links and a car tyre with a damper and could do bar to bar tank slappers at 65 mph  The steering load wasn't notably lighter.

Controversial I know, but it's just my opinion.

Andy

[SteveC#222]

BMW/Dnepr convertion

Smudge , have a look at this BMW/Dnepr

Also look in the photos section for the pictures he's talking about.

I have found an article by a chap I knew who did one of the first convertions which doesn't use an adapter plate but modifies the gearbox and doesn't need the gearbox shaft altering.also has details of bmw/dnepr wiring and clutch centering tool if thats any help.

There seems to be quite a bit of stuff on the internet if you search around.