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themoudie

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I am not sure about this. Watch at your discretion.
« on: November 18, 2007, 09:52:48 PM »
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My regards, Bill.

scottie

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 10:34:53 PM »
ouch!! i never thought hitting a wall was the best option!!that is one big drop the other side. :'(

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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 11:18:31 PM »
I'm sure... most sportsbikes now are too fast for public roads.  :(

Probably means I've got old that I'm prepared to say that...

Unless you have some sort of un-natural level of self control, ride a sportsbike and you'll let it rev, do that out of second gear and you will be speeding (in the uk at least). It's a blast and they're awesome... but sooner or later bad things will happen. (be it losing your licence or our health/life, just depends on your level of skill/luck but bad things either way)
These guys were lucky, and 10/10 to the guy on the Ducati for stopping the way he did. But guys... think about it... the one who fell allegedly broke his back two months before and he's pushing a 998 hard enough to lose it on a dry clean tarmac road?
Darwin had a point!
Of course... he could have just as easily hit a cyclist or a child on that obviously public road.. would they then be publicising the video? Would it still be cool? We are not without sin within this club but at the speeds they were travelling at I think there is a line crossed where I stop thinking "that's a bit quick I hope they're up to it" and start thinking "what the **** is he playing at"?

A lot of the members of this club I've chatted with have had *fast* bikes in the past and concluded that they were too fast to be fun in the uk, hence the "slow" thumpers.
We need more like Ewan and Charley, interesting rides where offs are slow and speed isn't everything. I don't necessarily agree with everything they do but at least they are making biking acceptable, interesting and accessible to the public at large. This video if it was shown on the beeb would confirm all the worst stereotypes and probably prompt another "ban them all" type crusade.
Best confined to youtube or better yet deleted!
As mum used to say, "not big and not clever, very lucky they're not dead or in jail".

Take bikes like that to a race track please kids.

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 11:58:15 PM »
Was bound to end in tears - Mind if I had been on the Bimbo I think I would have stopped and twatted my mate on the Duke miles earlier - he was geting toooo close most of the time - mind did well to stop it.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 12:02:36 AM »
Oh dear!
            Sorry, no sympathy whatsoever.   If you ride like a t**t you deserve what you get! Just very lucky they didn't kill anyone.
Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional!

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 08:45:41 AM »
I'm sure... most sportsbikes now are too fast for public roads.  :(

Probably means I've got old that I'm prepared to say that...

Unless you have some sort of un-natural level of self control, ride a sportsbike and you'll let it rev, do that out of second gear and you will be speeding (in the uk at least). It's a blast and they're awesome... but sooner or later bad things will happen. (be it losing your licence or our health/life, just depends on your level of skill/luck but bad things either way)
These guys were lucky, and 10/10 to the guy on the Ducati for stopping the way he did. But guys... think about it... the one who fell allegedly broke his back two months before and he's pushing a 998 hard enough to lose it on a dry clean tarmac road?
Darwin had a point!
Of course... he could have just as easily hit a cyclist or a child on that obviously public road.. would they then be publicising the video? Would it still be cool? We are not without sin within this club but at the speeds they were travelling at I think there is a line crossed where I stop thinking "that's a bit quick I hope they're up to it" and start thinking "what the **** is he playing at"?

A lot of the members of this club I've chatted with have had *fast* bikes in the past and concluded that they were too fast to be fun in the uk, hence the "slow" thumpers.
We need more like Ewan and Charley, interesting rides where offs are slow and speed isn't everything. I don't necessarily agree with everything they do but at least they are making biking acceptable, interesting and accessible to the public at large. This video if it was shown on the beeb would confirm all the worst stereotypes and probably prompt another "ban them all" type crusade.
Best confined to youtube or better yet deleted!
As mum used to say, "not big and not clever, very lucky they're not dead or in jail".

Take bikes like that to a race track please kids.

Sums up my feelings 100%.

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 09:37:23 AM »
Totally agree.

While I'd hate anyone to loose the chance to buy a 200 mph bike if they really want one, the culture seems to actively against anything else. We have a guy in the office with less than three years on two wheels (and probably less than 10,000 miles) who thinks my 790cc Bonneville is a girls bike. 600cc 150 mph jobs are for learners, men ride litre plus jap 4's and Ducati's and Hayabusa's are tourers! He falls off at least twice a year and is currently looking to sell his bike as he can't afford the insurance with a kid on the way. He totally rejects the idea that he should trade "down" to an ER-5/CB500/trail bike and build up some saddle time and NCB as his mates would take the ****.

How you change a culture is beyond me. Likelyhood is they'll simply ban anything you can't ride on a car license.

Andy

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 09:58:12 AM »
I think changing the culture may well start with you and me - ie US.  I tend to buy MCN and then get pissed of with all the coverage of crotch rockets and nothing about most other things - If they do test a sports tourer or a single, they will say it is a nice bike but they will stick to a real one etc.  Being a mug I still buy it.  I have a number of friends who no longer bother.  Maybe they who have given up on the MCN (and other bike publications) and I should take a different tack and make sure that the publishers know that we exist and that we do not like their glorification of track bikes on the road.  Etc Etc.  I remember the days of yore (etc) where most people I rode with aspired to a RD350LC, things like the GS1000S were OK but not for real riding.  I think a lot of this changed with the GPz900R and its (claimed) 150mph top end, and then the FJ1100.  Further eroded by the original fireplace - 900cc and lightweight.  We seem to have forgotten what riding can be about.

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2007, 10:37:43 AM »
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My regards, Bill.

The best sort of accident - two tw*ts take each other out, no-one else involved.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 10:44:01 AM »
Up to a point, it seems to be a UK phenomenon, although there are clearly many other countries with the problem. When I was last in Germany I picked up a bike mag called Mottorad Abentuer which was about touring and interesting locations, how practical the bikes were, if they were best on / off road or both, how far they would go on a tankful(!) Kit was tested on how comfy/practical etc it was..
Kind of like "ride" magazine but with a total absence of supersports bikes, I got they impression that a GSXRZZRXX was viewed as a foolish youths Sunday toy to be used until they grow up they can get a "real" bike like a GS or whatever... it was really refreshing and I can understand how kids reading it would think "Wow that's cool" and look at sportsbikes and think "what's the point, they never go anywhere".

Now obviously I'm painting an extreme, but as we've said, in this country just now we have an extreme the other way and it's killing inexperienced (and some experienced) riders and putting lots of people off bikes generally.

As I said, whatever I think about the detail, the "Long way round/down" programmes have probably done more to help the cause of "sensible" biking (and indeed BMW sales lol) than anything else I can think of in the last ten to twenty years. I hope they continue and ideally are expanded on, but what we really need is a sea change in some of the media to stop comparing p***s sizes about who can control the most ridiculous bikes and start showing some of the many other sides of biking.
We also need the manufacturers to produce new "real world" bikes instead of throwing everything into developing a bike that's a few thenths lighter/faster/shinier than last years model then detuning it a *little* fitting cheap running gear and trying to fob it off as a practical bike...
ie Bandits that would be practical except they use more fuel than many cars, and indeed more that a GT/GPz750 of the mid eighties that *was* practical and was pretty much as quick!!
Then of course there are the range of trailies and commuters that are sold as "new" but use engines that are basically unchanged since the seventies  :o

I bought my MZ a few years ago now because the big four had *nothing* that was practical for me or appealed overmuch... a 650gs would have been quite nice but I object to paying an extra £2,000 for a badge, scary really. I wonder how long before upcoming manufacturers currently producing dodgy copies pull the rug from under kawasukiahada?

Anyway, I suspect I'm rambling now so I'll shut up ;-) Unless there are any manufacturers reading....? :o

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 10:47:36 AM »
http://www.motorradabenteuer.de/(k2enseao2wuqhyvg11mylq45)/desktopdefault.aspx?alias=ma

Can you imagine a UK rag reviewing an Africa Twin and saying anything other than "It's old" and "I prefer a sportsbike"...?

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2007, 11:54:43 AM »
I'm about to get my last copy of Motorcycle Sport and Leisure. Since the new editor took over it's been 50% cut and pasted from RIDE; all bright colours and too many quotes about weights and speeds! Think I'll put the subscription fee in the petrol fund.

Andy

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2007, 01:05:41 PM »
I'm about to get my last copy of Motorcycle Sport and Leisure. Since the new editor took over it's been 50% cut and pasted from RIDE; all bright colours and too many quotes about weights and speeds! Think I'll put the subscription fee in the petrol fund.

Andy

And give over another font of knowledge to the plastic projectile brigade - why not start an action to get the editor / editorial changed?

To walk away is easy - I know I have done it - but to make a difference takes action.

Just a thought.

R

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2007, 06:20:35 PM »
Well it was a nice bit of vid i thought.
Bikes to fast nowadays? Nope, theyre only as fast as the person riding them. When you look at the speed of the bikes in that vid compared to the brakes and handling its actually no worse than riding a Triumph for example of yesteryear.
I think the Nanny state we live in nowadays has brain washed people into thinking that if you take risks your a bad person. Its a load of old crap. All bikes are a risk and are meant for fun and stupidity. If you wanna be practical and boring you buy a nice family hatchback or a goldwing ;D
Oh, do i ride a big single cause its slow and the likes? Do i hell, i ride one of my thumpers cause it is great off road and the other big thumper i have i ride cause its great for hooning around narrow roads and the likes and can leave faster bikes in a cloud of dust.

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2007, 06:36:15 PM »

 i go nuts on my cbr600 every now and then, but like these two i only put myself at risk. i slow to the speed limits through villages and towns and when around other traffic.
with my way of riding if it all goes wrong its only me that gets it. its only stupid when others are put at risk, or you are not aware of how much of a risk you are taking.

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