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Bike Problems/Questions / Re: XBR500 dies when hot
« Last post by richardeblack on July 11, 2026, 09:22:31 PM »
Thank you Ian
I just wrote a reply with some figures on which promptly disappeared into the ether. I'm too tired to rewrite it but have dug out a cdi unit to try out. I'll let you know how I get on.
I haven't tried the spark plug as I think it might break in the head as has happened twice before and I can't face dealing with that right now
The plug is the one that was in it when I got it 60,000 miles ago though so it may be that!
Thank you
Richard
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Bike Problems/Questions / Re: XBR500 dies when hot
« Last post by iansoady on July 11, 2026, 11:13:16 AM »
I spent months trying to track down what I thought was a carb problem on my XBR, which sounded quite similar to yours. I broke down a few miles from home and had to be recovered. When I told the recovery driver about the problem, he said "ECU". And he was right. I tried 2 different ones: an expensive one from Holland which turned out to need rewiring and whose supplier was very rude when I told them that, and a cheapo from ebay that worked perfectly.

The expensive one was from Carmo Electronics (https://www.carmoelectronics.co.uk/)  - I attach below the email I sent to them. The cheapo one was from ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404753268868


"I have to say I’ve been disappointed with my experience with your company. First of all, the unit arrived with no instructions whatever and was described as “plug and play” on your website. It was far from this. When connected via the small harness you supplied I had no spark. This turned out to be because pins 1 and 4 were swapped in the link harness. I did try connecting without the harness and this immediately blew a fuse on the bike when I operated the starter – I now realise bacause the XBR CDI has a +12 feed on pin 5 which you have broken in the link harness. When I cut this wire and instead fed a direct earth to the CDI, connecting without the link harness, I had success.

 

I understand that this positive feed may have a function in retarding the ignition when the starter is operated, however cannot find any documentation to this effect. I would have hoped that you would incorporate this feature, or at least point out to the user that it existed.

 

I have in no way been helped by you other than your providing a link to an information sheet which you should have given me at the outset. You should also have provided details of the advance curve and other characteristics. I have spent hours in my garage checking other components (entirely unnecessarily) but have been greatly helped by members of an online forum who have made many helpful suggestions. I should not have needed to do any of this. The only positive aspect is that I have now learned a great deal about CDI systems.

 

It has become plain to me that the unit which you sell as specific to the XBR500 is instead a generic unit. This raises questions in my mind as to what the advance curve is and whether this has been tailored to the motorcycle or – as I suspect – you have merely used a standard curve which may or may not suit the engine characteristics. I cannot believe that you have actually supplied any of these units to an XBR500 owner and that they have fitted it without problems.

 

It may interest you to know that in desperaion I bought a generic “pit bike” CDI unit complete with coil from ebay at a cost of less than £12. This was delivered to me today and I find that it replaces your unit directly and seems to give similar performance. It’s interesting that the pinouts on this unit are identical to those on your unit WITHOUT the link harness ie with B/W to pin 1 and red/black to pin 6. I accept that its internal components may be inferior but am left with the feeling that I could have saved myself £100 or so by purchasing this in the first place."

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Bike Problems/Questions / XBR500 dies when hot
« Last post by richardeblack on July 11, 2026, 10:14:59 AM »
Hello All,
I'm having problems with my poor old XBR.  Started when I was preparing for Stafford in April (the reason I didn't get it to Stafford).  It was ticking over warming up and after about 5 minutes it just died.  I first thought that it was bad fuel (I had just topped u p and wondered if I'd used wrong fuel) but after a carb clean out I still wouldn't run.  Had the carb off again and got some horrible rubbish out so drained the tank, cleaned it and refilled with fresh fuel.  It started!  Ran it up the road and as soon as it got hot started playing up again.  Basically it won't fire and then after a while of trying, it fires and I get a huge backfire in the silencer.
When it cools down it starts so  I wondered if it was the alternator exciter coils again (had them fail 3 times of various XBRs) so with it hot I checked the resistance of the exciter coils and the pickup, both of which were about right.  I didn't check the voltage output though.  The ignition coil resistance readings are ok as well when hot.  There is a spark but seems very weak and might not be there under compression.
Basically I don't think I have a good alternator stator left to swap over and a new one is £130 which might not fix it and I'd have yet another stator which charges ok but doesn't run the ignition.
Does anyone know of any crank end self generating ignition systems that will fit and aren't too expensive.  The ones i've seen are £300-£500.
I guess the alternative is to find an ignition cdi system that runs of the battery instead of the exciter coils just to rule out one possible cause.
Any suggestions or advice welcome.
Thank you.
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Humour / Re: Currified
« Last post by Moto63 on July 09, 2026, 08:25:24 PM »
“A right argi barghi” 🤣🤣
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Humour / Currified
« Last post by Ian on July 09, 2026, 07:05:23 PM »
See attached..... 🙄
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Project Progress / Re: NEW PROJECT (BUT NOT A THUMPER)
« Last post by xbally on July 08, 2026, 06:23:53 PM »
Well. I for one, given the amount work you’ve obviously put into the little demon. Hope it survives for the future, and you get to enjoy it & the fruits of your labour 🤞
Cheers , Michael
Thanks Michael  ;D
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Humour / Re: Heat wave breaking news
« Last post by Moto63 on July 08, 2026, 05:36:03 PM »
Oh yes, I remember it very well. 13yrs old at the time and me and my best mate Adrian Bell going down to our local park every day during our six week school holidays. The park had an open air Lido at the time
Great memories 👍
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Project Progress / Re: NEW PROJECT (BUT NOT A THUMPER)
« Last post by Moto63 on July 08, 2026, 05:32:09 PM »
Well. I for one, given the amount work you’ve obviously put into the little demon. Hope it survives for the future, and you get to enjoy it & the fruits of your labour 🤞
Cheers , Michael
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Project Progress / Re: NEW PROJECT (BUT NOT A THUMPER)
« Last post by xbally on July 08, 2026, 12:28:54 PM »
As I've probably mentioned I had no end of problems with the little 400 4 I had briefly. Eventually tracked down to a defective plug cap although the vacuum fuel tap was also problematic. Probably no help to you......
Thanks Ian.
I think I've had problems with most aspects of this project including the fuel tap (leaking but repaired with a kit from NRP Diaphrams which required rivets drilling out and tiny new threads being cut,beyond my limited skill set) buying the wrong type of NGK plug caps for the tiny aperture they live in and then struggling to remove them to put in the correct type.
Some of the other problems have been mentioned earlier in this thread.
I found lots of debris inside the fuel filler area which have blocked the tank breather. It's been vacuumed out now hopefully.
A brief test ride went well this morning and I intend to venture further afield in the coming days.
These problems cannot be laid at the door of Mr. Honda as my bike has been through the hands of numerous owners most if not all of whom probably did little if any maintenance. My bike is now 37 years old so after all the work which has been done in my ownership hopefully it will continue to survive in to the future.
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Project Progress / Re: NEW PROJECT (BUT NOT A THUMPER)
« Last post by iansoady on July 08, 2026, 09:01:05 AM »
As I've probably mentioned I had no end of problems with the little 400 4 I had briefly. Eventually tracked down to a defective plug cap although the vacuum fuel tap was also problematic. Probably no help to you......
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