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Title: It's here!
Post by: CrazyFrog on September 28, 2017, 07:56:23 AM
£500 more than the Mash, but all the cycle parts are European and only the engine is from China AFAIK, so probably worth it.

http://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/350OHC.html (http://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/350OHC.html)
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Post by: timbo on September 28, 2017, 08:15:52 AM
Really like it  :)
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Post by: iansoady on September 28, 2017, 09:19:40 AM
Looks very tidy but expensive....

Speaking of Mash, I've seen a used one for sale for the first time (this month's Real Classic). £1850 or offers which is starting to approach my territory - but now I have the Guzzi I hope I'll be settled for a while.
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Post by: spooky on September 28, 2017, 03:57:49 PM
it looks like  the 250 travel motor ? is it based on one  maybe, i quite like it but not at that price...
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Post by: CrazyFrog on September 28, 2017, 04:15:16 PM
it looks like  the 250 travel motor ? is it based on one  maybe, i quite like it but not at that price...

It's the Shineray unit Spooky, XBR500 based, and the same as used in the Mash400 range....
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Post by: timbo on September 28, 2017, 04:19:48 PM
I wonder what price the RE GT750 Interceptor will be  ;)
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Post by: spooky on September 28, 2017, 05:28:11 PM
it looks like  the 250 travel motor ? is it based on one  maybe, i quite like it but not at that price...

It's the Shineray unit Spooky, XBR500 based, and the same as used in the Mash400 range....

so it is so it is, must read things properly....
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Post by: Richard on September 28, 2017, 07:47:34 PM
Think I would prefer a bigger Rotax motor in there.
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Post by: johnr on September 28, 2017, 10:55:34 PM
i think thee engine choice is based on the restrictions and licencing regimes in the bigger markets of the world. the uk market isnt really worth thinking about in comparison to say india or china. in that company, we get what they decide to give us.
Title: Re: It's here!
Post by: Smithy on September 29, 2017, 05:38:37 AM
Very nice, just like my 1976 JAWA 350 was apart from the engine. Speaking of which is it really based on the XBR as that motor was a dry sump motor but this looks wet sump. Isn't it more likely to be based on the CL motor? I await correction from experts.

Ian
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Post by: Propellor on September 29, 2017, 06:31:45 AM
Very nice, just like my 1976 JAWA 350 was apart from the engine. Speaking of which is it really based on the XBR as that motor was a dry sump motor but this looks wet sump. Isn't it more likely to be based on the CL motor? I await correction from experts.

Ian

Dunno, but there are two pipes on the right/front engine casing looking suspiciously similar to the xbr system. .....?

More "cues" from the xbr. It looks to have just one gear driven balancer, forward of the crank. Speculation mind.
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Post by: Dave#22 on September 29, 2017, 08:18:13 AM
It looks like a dry sump motor, if you look closely at the photos, you can see the oil tank with sight glass above the gearbox.
Looks nice though...if a bit pricey.
Dave.
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Post by: Smithy on September 29, 2017, 09:28:03 AM
That's what I like about this forum, I'm always learning. It does indeed look like a dry sump motor now I look where you both mention. Thanks for the info.

Ian
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Post by: Steve Lake on September 29, 2017, 08:12:27 PM
well.... there's a thing .... doesn't that kick start lever look very similar to the SRX one (which is unobtaneum) ... i might just get one (lever that is, not the bike)
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Post by: Andy M on September 29, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
I like that  ;D

Currently slightly unimpressed with RE  :-\

Andy
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Post by: iansoady on September 30, 2017, 11:34:58 AM
The Mash has its oil tank in the same place.

You know, the more I look at the Jawa the more similar the frame & running gear are.....
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Post by: Smithy on September 30, 2017, 06:25:39 PM
I like that  ;D

Currently slightly unimpressed with RE  :-\

Andy

May I ask why Andy.

Ian
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Post by: timbo on September 30, 2017, 10:47:54 PM
Yes, you've let us all hanging Andy, what gives with the Bullit?  :-\
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Post by: Andy M on October 01, 2017, 06:57:31 AM
The chain broke. I'm in the process of doing a full write up as I think people need to know. The rivet forms on the chain pins are massively variable including some undersize. I found one I could push out with a punch, no hammer required. RE are pointless, they do the concerned PR stuff on twitter but thats as far as it goes.

When it broke it jammed between the sprocket and engine case. No serious damage but meant draining the oil to get the alternator cover off. 60 quid and 3 evenings later I'm up and running again (one huge advantage over the MASH and Jawa:Hitchcocks have 80% of the parts and European made alternatives), but it confirms my belief you need to find the Indian **** before it finds you. Targets over the winter will be the tubes and wheel bearings. The nylon bush in the swingarm is on the watch list.

Its all part of ownership. You get a cheap bike thats lovely to ride but need to allow for extras. I'm rather leading the way on the UCE as they are different to the iron engined bikes, not many get enough miles and half the owners think its 1958 (One old fool in Scarborough spent ten minutes telling me I needed to adjust the points then almost had a heart attack when I said I was keeping the FI and Electronic Ignition. He had 2500 miles on his 1997 bike!).  I was hoping the to-do list was shorter (replace the bolts, waterproof the loom etc.) but it is what it is. I was bored of the NC because it was like owning a dishwasher, you can't say that about the Enfield.

That Jawa was tempting but someone needs to get one and find out what parts availability is like and build up the knowledge of what they need doing to them. I like David Angel and know he won't let anyone get stuck, but he's also running a business. The MASH at Haywards was rotting in front of your eyes and their salesman couldn't tell me things like the availability of oil filters (if he had any sense he'd know the Japanese part that could fit). Any volunteers to do a project on the Jawa so we know how to live with it?  ;D

Andy

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Post by: themoudie on October 01, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
The chain broke. I'm in the process of doing a full write up as I think people need to know. The rivet forms on the chain pins are massively variable including some undersize. I found one I could push out with a punch, no hammer required. RE are pointless, they do the concerned PR stuff on twitter but thats as far as it goes.

When it broke it jammed between the sprocket and engine case. No serious damage but meant draining the oil to get the alternator cover off. 60 quid and 3 evenings later I'm up and running again (one huge advantage over the MASH and Jawa:Hitch*******s have 80% of the parts and European made alternatives), but it confirms my belief you need to find the Indian **** before it finds you. Targets over the winter will be the tubes and wheel bearings. The nylon bush in the swingarm is on the watch list.

Andy

Pleased to know that you are still in one piece Andy!  :o  Nulifies the debate we had earlier on the forum about using split links or rivet links and their relative merits. For an RE, just find the slack pin!  :o

I shall remain sceptical about the RE's, even though my local dealer has a nice selection in stock and may forward your findings onto them, if you are OK with that?

Happy spannering and good health, Bill
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Post by: Andy M on October 01, 2017, 11:16:20 AM
....and may forward your findings onto them, if you are OK with that?

Happy spannering and good health, Bill

Depending on how fast I can do graphics and text after my boiled ham, new potatos and third glass of pinot, there will be illustrations on the Hurley-Pugh site later. Please forward to anyone likely to be interested. If I save somone the push home, a cracked engine case or worse it will be mission accomplished.

Andy
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Post by: iansoady on October 01, 2017, 11:26:58 AM
Any volunteers to do a project on the Jawa so we know how to live with it?  ;D

Andy

I'll do that if the forum will pay for it........
Title: Re: It's here!
Post by: themoudie on October 01, 2017, 05:20:07 PM
....and may forward your findings onto them, if you are OK with that?

Happy spannering and good health, Bill

Depending on how fast I can do graphics and text after my boiled ham, new potatos and third glass of pinot, there will be illustrations on the Hurley-Pugh site later. Please forward to anyone likely to be interested. If I save somone the push home, a cracked engine case or worse it will be mission accomplished.

Andy

Thank you Andy, I'll pass the details on.

The ham and tatties sounds good, although I'm not so sure about the pinot!

My regards, Bill
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Post by: timbo on October 01, 2017, 05:48:41 PM
Really disappointed to hear this Andy, as I'm a bit of an Enfield fan, but that is shocking!