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Club House => Chatter => Topic started by: guest868 on December 09, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
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I have a copy of the new Tenere workshop manual, all 399 pages of it. I want to share it with other Tenere owners for free. I stuck a link to the manual on a n other forum and it got deleted as apparently it would prevent sales for the owner (as a note I didn't know they sold the manuals). So, rather than incur any wrath here, would anyone like a copy, or would it be ok for me to share the link?
I may also have the parts manual too, just waiting on that.
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There is usually a copywrite issue. Any club that didn't delete links etc. could find themselves in very hot water without a lawyer to stand on (I assume you didn't write this manual?). I don't think any club can support breaking the law.
I know they charge too much and most people are only trying to help out fellow owners, but the law says if you wrote it it's yours and you can charge what you like. If you didn't write it you can't even give away further copies.
I'm afraid it may even be sensible to delete this thread. :(
Andy
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So the a n other site is breaking the law by offering the same manual as well then? Interesting.
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This seems to me to be a bit of a grey area as I "aquired" a workshop CD for my BMW but I'm sure that Beemer themselves hold the copyright. As yet I haven't heard of anybody being prosecuted (and they are being sold on eBay, etc) but I'm also sure that legal action could take place if the Boys from Berlin wanted to. To me it's piracy, pure and simple. I'd not put it in the public domain. Just my tuppence worth, no offence intended.
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Share the link, that's my thought. Hardly anyone actually buys a genuine Yamaha manual from their dealer so I'm guessing that they won't miss the sales. If anyone else is selling digital copies of the manual then they are more in breach of copyright than a solo bod offering access.
Yamaha have to produce a manual for their dealers to use, not for commercial gain. Publish and be damned young man!
GC
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It might be better for anyone who wants a copy to PM shedbrewed directly for the link.
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This seems to me to be a bit of a grey area as I "aquired" a workshop CD for my BMW but I'm sure that Beemer themselves hold the copyright. ..... To me it's piracy, pure and simple. I'd not put it in the public domain. Just my tuppence worth, no offence intended.
There is no grey area, if Yamaha or BMW hold the copyright they can pursue the people doing the copying, the people hosting the website and possibly even the buyers. Ford lost something around the £50,000 mark using Mirror Group text and pictures in a training manual without permission (and the stupid thing is, if their advertising buyer had asked they'd have been given permission). The company I was working for at the time was invited to join the action as they'd used our stuff too, but you don't sue your big customers unless they can't buy elsewhere. Big publishers employ web searches to keep their legal departments profitable. You'll now find every photocopier in every vehicle plant in the country has a notice saying you may not copy copyrighted material.
US law is (I believe) different, vehicle repair information has to be available outside the dealer network. If the manual has a US address or number on it, ot may be in the public domain, in which case there is not copywrite.
Now, the chances of Yamaha or BMW going after the club or shedbrewed or the people selling on e-bay, is probably quite small, but would you bet your house on it?
Andy
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It might be better for anyone who wants a copy to PM shedbrewed directly for the link.
I have no problem with this.
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I heard a rumour that the AA on-line map service was using OS data without their permission and the resulting (hushed up) action cost the AA dearly. A 'cartographer's folly'* caught them out... allegedly.
GC
* this is a feature that the mapmaker has added to catch out people who copy their maps, it's a feature that doesn't actually exist (outline of a ruined building, etc.).
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The clue is in the name ORDANANCE Survey. Mess with those guys and they whistle up a 25 pounder with your name on it ;D
Andy
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"* this is a feature that the mapmaker has added to catch out people who copy their maps, it's a feature that doesn't actually exist (outline of a ruined building, etc.)."
To my mind the best of these are when the cartographer writes their name in the lined areas representing cliffs. Entertainment can be had in looking for them as they hide well.
RIchard