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Club House => Chatter => Topic started by: guest18 on June 28, 2009, 08:18:39 PM
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Anyone used a Roof Roadster Helmet? I've been idly considering an open face helmet for the "summertime" (sic) and I've always liked the look of them but don't know anyone who's used them.
Thoughts?
:)
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I have a shoei open face helmet, it's a lovely item, takes me back to my yoof (remember 'everoak'? )
downside is....the fit is loosening off a bit (its 6 years old), so a lot of wind noise, you really do need a snug fit over your ears, and...unless the strap is done up tight, wind starts to force the helmet upwards.....this might not happen if i wore the peak that came with it ( which i seem to have mislaid ...doh)
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Yup, for the sort of riding I do one of the types with a visor would make sense, but I want to be able to move it out of the way like a conventional full face type visor, so one of the modern jet pilot type helmets would seem to make sense (as opposed to the 60's style jet pilots helmets! Logical progression I suppose?)
Something like the Roof roadster or the Osbe Tornado, I especially like the slide down black sunvisor on that type... (on the few days we get sunshine it's invariably shining right into my eyes ::) ;) )
(http://www.thehelmetplace.co.uk/acatalog/tornadosmall.jpg)
Osbe Tornado
(http://www.thormotorcycles.co.uk/images/highway/roof/roof%202005/roadster/ROADSTER%20MATT%20BLACK.JPG)
Roof Roadster
I also wonder if the rounded visor type might be a bit quieter than a "traditional" type open face ???
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Caberg Justissimo - you can take the chin piece off in a minute or so leaving you with an open face, your normal visor and the internal 'Top Gun' tinted jobbie. Best of both worlds.
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Hmmm, it's an option although tbh if I'm going to wear a fullface I'd probably stick with my Arai. With a bit of luck there will be some sellers at the bike show and I can do a bit of trying on of various types 8)
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On my 4th Davida Classic Jet with Bob Heath flip up visor,riding all year round and trips to Germany and Austria in the winter.
Couldnt/wouldnt go back to a full face.Not enough vision and find it claustaphobic now I think after 20yrs+ of open face .
Jethro
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Here here Jethro! Fully agree. I'll be sticking with my Arai open face for the foreseeable. can't beat the all round vision, lightness and comfort. Did dabble with a flip front full face but just ended up feeling claustraphobic.
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I had one. Comfortable and useful when you need to do a quick motorway stint to get somewhere where you'd like to ride open face. They are however noisy as **** and cheaply made. Mine managed two years use until the chin bar screws started to pull out. Only bit I've got left is the visor which now serves as a guard on my spot lights.
If you can pick one up for £70 go for it, if they want the full £170 I'd get a better quality open face.
Andy
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Smudge,
i used to wear a couple of the Roof lids,the Boxer and the Roadster,that was when they first came out in this country,i found them heavy and noisy,back then the linings weren't removable and at speed the helmet would lift,one time in Europe the chin bar inners became loose,the glue had melted due to the heat,so you could say the quality wasn't that good,also the fit unbeknown to me wasn't that good either,
i think the quality has moved on now from what I've seen these days,how much are they now?.
Now i wear one of these,and i think myself so lucky that i have found my perfect lid,when this one wears out i be shopping for the exact same item,yes its a little noisy but that's nothing compared to its plus factors
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/81-2570L.jpg)
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I'm a year round open face user and use the Davida Speedster helmet, good seal around the ears and fits snug(could get away without strapping it up).
The shell is smaller than the Jet so less padding but a better look.
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I had one. Comfortable and useful when you need to do a quick motorway stint to get somewhere where you'd like to ride open face. They are however noisy as **** and cheaply made. Mine managed two years use until the chin bar screws started to pull out. Only bit I've got left is the visor which now serves as a guard on my spot lights.
If you can pick one up for £70 go for it, if they want the full £170 I'd get a better quality open face.
Andy
Do you mean the Caberg Andy?
I have to admit it doesn't grab me. I like the style of the built in visor types but that depends on them 1, fitting properly and 2, being decent quality.
Jules, I think the roadster is about 100 120ish upwards now depending where you shop, I'd like a good look at them to see what the quality is like, my current helmet is an Arai Signet GT (full face), it's ok but in the extreme cold/wet you have to tape over the vents otherwise the wet/cold on the top of your head gets annoying(!), also a damn noisy helmet. Fit was fine on the Mastiff but with the leant forward position on the traveller it feels as though it's just a little too deep at the back, or my jacket collar is too high, and it's a bit irritating. All that said the quality shows and it's still streets ahead of my old AGV's etc, these are niggles evidenced by the standard of comfort and fit...
Vaugely tempted by the Arai open face but I've always disliked (read hated!) that style of visor, doesn't anyone do a shaped one for it?!? ???
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Mine was the Roof swing front thing. Boxer rings a bell (or is that a bad joke!)
Karen has a Caberg. That is superior but can only be worn closed when moving.
Andy
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I had a Caberg and used to ride with it up almost fulltime except on motorways
Steffan
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Vaugely tempted by the Arai open face but I've always disliked (read hated!) that style of visor, doesn't anyone do a shaped one for it?!? ???
Ah yes, but it works very well. Keeps itself free of rain drops (if not too badly scratched) and stops most of the wet stuff dripping off yer chin and down yer neck! Did over 300 miles in the rain and (with the help of a high collar) nowt wet went down my top. ;D
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I prefer Arai and have the Freeway ???. Like Jules when it wears out { 'bout now actually } , I'll get exactly the same again .The only outsider is the Bell RT , recently reintroduced . Like Jethro , can't see me going back to a full face now , having always had an open face lid .I used to keep a full face for winter riding in the past , but haven't had a full face for about eight or nine years now .
Rob .
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Open face helmets are great. . . . . . until a cager 'didn't see you mate' and you go over the top and skate along solid road on your face. . . Not pretty.
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Open face helmets are great. . . . . . until a cager 'didn't see you mate' and you go over the top and skate along solid road on your face. . . Not pretty.
Shit Happens !
Having had a couple of scrapes,either been lucky or all the stories are a little exagerated !
Could be dead tomorrow so I'm enjoying the NOW !
Jethro
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I used to believe that "ahem, harumph" years ago... but having stepped off a couple of times, and with the assistance of cagers, I've yet to hit my chinbar on the deck, and knowing quite a few couriers, and others, who've hit the ground pretty hard over the years it's astonishing how few beat up the chinbar... it happens, but not that often...
The back of the helmet gets it regularly, the sides quite often, in *fast* (and I mean mostly illegally fast) crashes sometimes the front quarters of the visor... but the chinbar? I struggle to remember when I last saw one with damage.
Also I have to look at the likelihood of me needing a chinbar against the perceived benefits, and tbh unless I'm riding like a berk or doing trackdays the risks simply aren't that high. Particularly as personally I'd be mostly wearing one on dry days when the sun is shining, eg good vision and bags of grip...
Of course if your actually worried about the statistical risk of head injury you shouldn't be getting in your car without a lid (unless it's a very modern one with side airbags etc) as crash for crash the statisticians have alleged car drivers are more likely to suffer head injuries than bikers (look at the proximity of the b pillar, think side impact, and remember that your natural instinct when you fall is to stick your arm out and pull your head away from the impact... something that's harder to do in a tin box, the arm thing is one of the reasons why rally drivers are advised to leave the windows rolled up!!(in addition to aerodynamics))
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I have a titanium lower jaw. . .
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you'll be alright then ;)
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trying this reply again as my original seems to have dissapeared ???
An unverified article from the web, anyone able to confirm or deny the truth of it?
During World War II, an English neurosurgeon named Cairns compared the head injuries of crashed motorcyclists wearing helmets. Cairns, a Professor of Neurosurgery at Oxford University, noted that helmeted motorcyclists who had broken their facial bones had less serious brain injuries. Clearly, some impact energy had been absorbed by the face or the helmet. From those early studies, the suggestion came that all motorcyclists should wear a helmet.
The only types available then were "inverted pudding bowl" styles that barely covered the short hair style of the day. These had an inner lining of cork or pulp that was used to absorb energy. During the 1960s, the fighter pilot style became popular because it covered the whole scalp, came in colorful fiberglass shells, and had better energy absorption material inside. Gradually helmet standards arose to ensure that helmets were constructed to a standard level that assured adequate impact performance in controlled helmet impact tests.
During the 1970s, full-face helmets (fighter pilot style plus facial protection) gained popularity. Manufacturers argued that if that fighter pilot style helmet had a chin bar, then the whole head and face could be protected. But this presented the helmet standards committees with a dilemma: How to test the performance of the chin bar component when no one was sure about how far it should deflect upon impact? Some said the chin bar should be soft and pliable. Others said it should be hard and inflexible. The rigid school won, and efforts were made to stiffen the chin bar by incorporating strong materials to increase its rigidity.
Early medical reports of facial injury patterns in motorcyclists supported the use of full-face helmets because hospital accident and emergency departments were treating far fewer facial cuts and abrasions among bikers wearing full facial protection. Indeed, it became rate to see an injured motorcyclist with a facial bone fracture if he wore a full-face helmet. All was well for motorcyclists who came to hospitals for treatment after a crash that involved a head impact.
But what about that ever-growing band of motorcyclists who didn't make it to the hospital? Many died in helmets that fitted well, were well adjusted, and were firmly in place at the time of the crash. Of course, some of these had fatal chest and abdominal injuries, but too many seemed to be dying from impacts they should have survived.
During the 1980s, reports from road accident research units worldwide showed an increasing incidence of a particular fatal skull injury among motorcyclists wearing full-face helmets. This common fatal injury was a skull base fracture -- a severe crack across the bones on which the brain sits. To try to explain how these devastating injuries were happening, some associates and I looked in depth at a small number of motorcyclists who had been fatally injured while wearing full-face helmets. At this time, the latest X-ray equipment available for patients with head injuries was computerized CT scanning (CAT scanning). CAT scans could be converted into three-dimensional images to help plan the surgery that crash victims often required. Using CAT scanning techniques, we compared the patterns of injury among 50 motorcyclists admitted to hospitals with 24 motorcyclists killed from similar impacts during the same period. We retrieved the helmets worn and also studied them with the CAT scanner.
Each motorcyclist's head was considered as a four-layered unit: 1) the helmet, 2) the scalp and facial skin, 3) the skull and facial bones, and 4) the brain. Detailed scientific information was gleaned from each of these layers. That information was then fed into a computer-based coding system for analysis. In addition to the CAT scan information, a detailed autopsy was performed on the fatally injured group. An independent neuropathology review was also performed on the brain of each motorcyclist killed.
When analyzed, our results showed that motorcyclists with broken facial bones usually had been wearing helmets that gave little or no facial protection. Furthermore, they had little on the way of brain injury. In contrast, those motorcyclists killed outright often had no facial injury, even if they suffered an impact to the front of the helmet. They did, however, have skull base fractures and unsurvivable brain injuries. Apparently, the blow to the chin bar had been transmitted to the chin strap, increasing its tightness sufficiently to drive the lower jaw upward into the base of the skull. The upward force into the skull base, then, may have caused the fracturing and subsequent brain damage.
The brain damage was concentrated at the critical brain stem region where the spinal cord effectively "plugs into" the base of the brain. Damage in that region is usually instantly fatal.
How Helmets Can Kill
1. Impact to the lower face bar is transmitted via the jaw to the skull.
2. The chin strap forces the jawbone upward.
3. The brain stem is severed.
4. The Helmet Rotates - This pattern of death emerged after four years of research.
Were our findings only present by chance in the sample of motorcyclists we studied? To find out, we performed a second study of 988 brains from autopsies performed on road accident victims. These 988 included 36 cases of unequivocal brain stem injury. The proportion of motorcyclists in that series was double the expected figure, and of the 15 motorcyclists, 13 were known to have been wearing helmets at impact and 11 had been wearing full-face helmets. Furthermore, the principal impact point was the chin bar in one of the bikers.
These findings strengthened the possibility that a blow to a rigid chin bar could be transferred via the chin strap to the lower jaw and then to the skull base, with fatal consequences to the fragile brain stem. If this were so, then how could it be prevented? In collaboration with engineering scientists and computer-aided-design (CAD) experts, we devised a series of solutions. Essentially, they involved the incorporation of an energy absorber into the chin bar of a full-face helmet. This would reduce the impact energy transmitted to the brain stem and, hopefully, transfer a potentially fatal impact victim into the survivable range. The wheels of change in altering safety designs move excruciatingly slow, the the full-face helmet with a soft, pliable chin bar extension may be a suitable alternative.
Let's face it: A motorcyclist's helmet should be worthy of the head upon which it rests.
Rodney D. Cooter, M.D.
Dr. Rodney Cooter is currently the Staff Grader in Plastic Surgery at St. James University Hospital, Leeds, United Kingdom. He trained for five years at the Weapon's Research Establishment in South Australia before completing a four-year training in engineering draftsmanship with Telecom Australia. He studied medicine at the University of Adelaide for six years before commencing surgical training. During his surgical training with the Australian Craniofacial Unit, developed an interest in the engineering aspects of injury to the head and face. In his doctoral thesis-Craniofacial Fracture Patterns-he examined the effects of helmets on injury patterns. This article follows that intensive study.
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Serious food for thought.
Wish I could afford that Davida.
Richard
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I have a titanium lower jaw. . .
Not knowing you I have no knowledge whether you are serious or not, or indeed if you are whether it was required due to a bike accident, if you were and it was, then apologies for my flippant reply, it followed a long and frustrating discussion on another forum with armchair experts who have plenty of theoretical knowledge of the subject we were discussing but no practical experience, and very fixed opinions. ::)
If however you weren't serious... see my original answer ;)
Smudge :)
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I've said this before, a helmet offers two or three levels of protection:
1. Protection from the normal enviroment, wind noise, flys etc. You use that protection everytime you ride.
1a. Protection from the weather, rain, fog etc. You use that maybe up to one ride in two depending on where you are, how you ride.
2. Crash protection: I think at the last count we each averaged one off every 5 years and most of those were lowsides due to ice, mud and so on. We all naturally ball up and try to protect our heads with our hands with the documented results that hands and feet take most damage.
Wearing a slice of pillar box on your head might improve 2, but you've more chance of needing it if you are deafened by the noise, can't see due to the misted visor and are thinking about the pain in the crown of your head rather than what Captain Volvo might do next.
The fact that this is such a complex subject to me means there can't be a simple answer along the lines of full face good, open face bad. If cc1085 did have a face slide that he feels would have been mitigated by a chin bar I can understand his feeling that full face is the way to go. I can counter that feeling with list of near misses caused by an overweight misting Jebs POS I wore in the mid 90's.
Until they do a controlled study where probably 10,000 riders are turned loose with maybe three pre-studied helmet designs we simply won't know. You'd need some sort of war to get that data (it exists for military helmets, hence everyone now looks more like a German than a Brit and no one looks French). Dr. Cooter's study to me shows only that you need ten times the data and that the answer then might well be a neck brace or lighter helmet instead of or as well as his chin bar buffer.
Until then I'm going to include comfort, vision and misting when I look at helmets, which tends to push me towards an openface and visor.
Andy
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Bell used to have a slogan along the lines of ;
' if you've got a ten dollar head wear a ten dollar helmut '
That about sums it up really. Many years ago , a chum of mine had an off ,during the course of which he munched his way through the screen on his 900ss. As a result , he lost several teeth and required a number of stiches. This prompted him to use a full face lid from that point on . It happens.
Like anything , it's our choice as to what we stick on our swede . I'm happy to spend £160+ on an Arai ,because this is what I want to wear .
Rob .
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The fact that this is such a complex subject to me means there can't be a simple answer along the lines of full face good, open face bad....
Agreed, frustrating, but agreed!
...Until they do a controlled study where probably 10,000 riders are turned loose with maybe three pre-studied helmet designs we simply won't know. You'd need some sort of war to get that data (it exists for military helmets, hence everyone now looks more like a German than a Brit and no one looks French)....
Although even these sorts of trials can result in skewed results because of fashion or individual prejudices, there is a story does the rounds in the military that when the US Govt trialled their current desert camouflage pattern their final trial was between three designs, one came out considerably better than the other two, however when it was shown to the Officers in charge or procurement they turned it down in favour of the second most effective because the first looked "too German", now that is apochryphal (sp?) but nonetheless believable and typical of some known decisions made in similar processes...
...Dr. Cooter's study to me shows only that you need ten times the data ...
Indeed, but even then it will be difficult due to the extremely varied, even inconsistent nature or real life crashes
...Until then I'm going to include comfort, vision and misting when I look at helmets, which tends to push me towards an openface and visor...
Although we could argue that you are comparing modern open face helmets with out of date, overweight full face helmets with lousy ventilation and limited visibility... my (ff) Arai presents less restriction to my side vision than the last "pilot" helmet I borrowed, and downwards vision isn't an issue..., however teasing aside I would pretty much agree with your criteria
Aologies for the selsctive quote, just easier to comment on specific parts!
Smudge :)
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Bell used to have a slogan along the lines of ;
' if you've got a ten dollar head wear a ten dollar helmut '
That about sums it up really. Many years ago , a chum of mine had an off ,during the course of which he munched his way through the screen on his 900ss. As a result , he lost several teeth and required a number of stiches. This prompted him to use a full face lid from that point on . It happens.
Like anything , it's our choice as to what we stick on our swede . I'm happy to spend £160+ on an Arai ,because this is what I want to wear .
Rob .
Bell also used to point out that their helmets were not intended for use above 30mph...
Keeping out of this discussion mind. - We end up in personal choice, social responsibility, risk homeostasis, age of consent etc.
R
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Bell used to have a slogan along the lines of ;
' if you've got a ten dollar head wear a ten dollar helmut '
That about sums it up really.
I've lost the link but there is a website that compares lids. There seemed to be a point where spending more only improved the logo's and graphics.
Andy
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Bell used to have a slogan along the lines of ;
' if you've got a ten dollar head wear a ten dollar helmut '
That about sums it up really.
I've lost the link but there is a website that compares lids. There seemed to be a point where spending more only improved the logo's and graphics.
Andy
Compared them with what and by what method though?
R
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It's here:
http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/
I not sure what the testing is, but UK gov/TRL/MOT tend to be consistent if nothing else. They rate them for different types of protection but that's all the detail. 5-star lids vary from £70 to £320. You can blow £400+ and only get 3 star protection. No open face seems to have been tested yet.
As suspected my Shuberth isn't the last word in helmet design or value for money ::)
Andy
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Ahhh - these are the tests that MCN amongst others are up in arms about - maybe because they belittle some serious advertisers. Is testing of helmets based on some data and some assumptions (and it would seem missinterprutation of some of the data). Dont think O/F have been tested as they will fail any chin bar tests....
Also seems that many helmets are made for the UK market now, with added protection in the areas tested - specifically to pass the test etc.
Mind same arguments were held for the old BSi tests too.
Has there been any serious investigation into impact on injury of helmets - as per SMudges posting above, done in the last 5 to 10 years that actually identifies and stratifies by helmet model/family rather than just OF, FF etc?
It is a minefield
R
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All this data on helmet design & efficiency is a little wasted really. You can guarantee they never tested it under the conditions similar to the accident your actually involved in. No, all a helmet MUST achieve is your piece of mind. You must feel safe and comfortable whilst wearing it and have confidence in it no matter what. If it does that, then worries won't be nagging you in your subconcious, tightening you up and costing you an edge should things go tits up. How it does when called upon....who knows and who knows how the one next to it on the shelf would have done either. That's down to the powers that be.
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Sounds good to me Pat .
Rob .
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TBH I think long and hard before buying helmets, but once they're on I never give them a second thought, what sort of helmet I'm wearing certainly doesn't affect how I ride ??? Of course if I were wearing a flat cap I might revise my style a little!
There is certainly a large element of luck involved, however I'm biased enough to believe that a five year old decent quality fiberglass/composite lid is more likely to behave in the manner envisaged by the designer than a five year old plastic lid... of course at one year old both *should* be broadly equal(!)
Whether it will save you from injury is another question entirely of course ;)
None of which really helps me to decide whether I want an OF helmet of course, or which one(!) I definately fancy a roadster or even maybe an Osbe, but I want to have a look at them and try them on before throwing over £100 at one. Like the concept, like the style, can't be noisier than my current one(!) but completely useless if they don't fit my head. :-\
Anyone know if there will be dealers at the show this weekend? Or if there are any stockists between here and Uttoxeter?
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Like Jules and Pat I wear the Arai flip up model. I'm on my second one and I have to say I can't see any reason to buy anything else. It's an expensive lid, but bloody lovely.
The visor is brilliant at shedding the rain (when it's clean) and the visibility is as close to not wearing a lid as you're ever going to get.
GC
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Is that the Arai Freeway "jet" type or the (say it in a Clarkson voice) SZ Ram 3 ?(at over £300 !!) or indeed the SZ-F?
(I still hate that style of visor ::))
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My first one was an SZB (two vents), the current one is an SZM (four vents).
GC
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Aye Smudge,
Go to this: http://www.whyarai.co.uk/ (http://www.whyarai.co.uk/)
The dealer in Perth has gone!
regards, Bill.
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Ahh Arai's are easy Bill ;) it was a ROOF or maybe an OSBE dealer I was looking for...
Mind you the Arai doesn't look as bad here;
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00125/F_200407_july30ed_i_125537a.jpg)
Is that a different visor I wonder or just a different angle...
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Looks like 'Smoke an' Mirrors' to me! ???
Much rather walk in, pick up the goods, give it a fumble, stick it on the head and then ask them to pull it off.
Afore I bought my Arai, left the cards behind the counter and went for a spin to hear how quiet it was and whether I could look over my shoulder to have a looksee. Maybe we should ask to do that more often?
There is still part of me fancies going back to an OF lid with a visor or goggles.
You could even do a Rickie Fulton, God bless him! ;D
Toodle pip, off to the Quack tomorrow to get the bronchial tubes sorted! ???
Bill.
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Anyone know if there will be dealers at the show this weekend? Or if there are any stockists between here and Uttoxeter?
According to the show's website:
"With live bands courtesy of the VJMC on Friday and Saturday, dealers, traders and a raft of auto jumblers there’s something for everyone. "
As for the second bit, it depends where "here" is...
Trevor
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I used to believe that "ahem, harumph" years ago... but having stepped off a couple of times, and with the assistance of cagers, I've yet to hit my chinbar on the deck, and knowing quite a few couriers, and others, who've hit the ground pretty hard over the years it's astonishing how few beat up the chinbar... it happens, but not that often...
We had a chap highside (a BMW tourer!) on one of ClanIxion ride-outs. He split the chinbar but didn't get any damage to his face. After seeing that I vowed never to wear an open-face helmet!
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Smudge, re your post
"An unverified article from the web, anyone able to confirm or deny the truth of it?"
I plaqgarised this and put it on our Ulysses club web page. Apparently this Doctor is quite ligit, and I have quoted one response from a learned character who knows these things.
Quote:
Kurt, that appears to be legitimate.
Dr Rodney Cooter did do his doctorate at Adelaide University on the effects of motorcycle helmets on spinal and head injuries.
He continues to write on that subject and is a practicing plastic surgeon in South Australia.
An article of his in Lancet [Jan 1988], co-written with DJ David DJ, AJ McLean AJ, and DA Simpson, is summarised (abstracted) in scholarly indicies as follows: "Observations after a fatal motorcycle accident suggested that the face bar of a full-face helmet may transmit an impacting force to the skull base via the chin strap and the mandibular rami and condyles, bypassing the energy-absorbing facial bones. If this mechanism is confirmed, the structural properties of these face bars will need to be reassessed." Which is pretty much in line with what you pasted in above.
BTW: he's also a good guy to see for breast work, some of his writing is on plastic surgery for nipple areola reconstructions."
I reckon he would be able to do a great nose replacement.. could be quite nice rubbing your nose!!!! ::) ::) ??? ??? :-X :-[ :P ;) ;)
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Sorry, East Central Scotland :)
....As for the second bit, it depends where "here" is...
Trevor
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designerhelmets.com (http://designerhelmets.com) sell Osbe and Roof, and are based in Halifax. Don't know whether they sell direct to Joe Public, but it may be worth a call.
Trevor
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Ahh Arai's are easy Bill ;) it was a ROOF or maybe an OSBE dealer I was looking for...
Mind you the Arai doesn't look as bad here;
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00125/F_200407_july30ed_i_125537a.jpg)
Is that a different visor I wonder or just a different angle...
Same visor different angle ::)
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Got knocked off my bike today...rendered unconious for a little while,got a stinking headache now.
Dont know what state my Davida Classic Jet is in.
Dont even know who removed it or where it is now,back at the shop I believe.
Still hasnt put me off.Will fish out my spare,use that and order another one.
Jethro
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Whoops. I take it that the fact you are writing this means you are okay. I doubt you would be sending this from a laptop in a hospital bed but daresay you've been to casualty, really should after being unconscious. Which bike and how is it looking ? What happened and did you hurt the driver when you woke up ? Is he now your puppy ?
Hope its not hurting too much.
Richard
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Ditto, hope you're feeling better soon.
Steffan
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Aye Jethro,
This is not good me old china, as Richard says, I hope you've been checked out. Concussion or little 'bleeds' on the grey matter aren't good. Get it sorted! >:(
Having watched a mans cranium cave in after removal of the helmet, which appeared fine as did he, it ain't macho not to.
Number 002's don't repair as easy as bikes and your irreverence is priceless!
All the best, Bill.
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Ouch! Hope all's well... now sue the bastard.
GC
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:( ooh nasty :(
As with the others, hope nothing permanent and be sure to follow the quack's directions!
Glad your (ex) lid worked mind you. Do you know what happened?
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Take two disprin and get back to work you lazy Git :D
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Jethro's being very matter of fact . I spoke with him yesterday ,just as he was leaving A&E .Seems a car pulled out of a side junction and was in collision with him.Jethro wasn't really sure of the full circumstances.He was aching all over and had a headache as he says .No broken bones and he'll probably be aching a bit more today. Seemed more vague than usual . ;)
He believes the Triumph has light damage only { which doesn't really matter ,easy to fix }.
The important thing is ,he's on the mend.Other than that , nothing else matters .
Rob .
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If I wasn't such a gentle soul I would suggest we all visit the four wheeled party in question for the purposes of expressing our disapproval of their carelessness...but alas.. :D
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Jethro,
Glad you are (roughly speaking) OK.
If you need Triumph indicators or anything let me know.
Andy
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Ouch!!!
Look after the old noggin.
R
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Jethro,
Put your feet up and watch some sheep to calm your nerves and ease the pain!
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Spoke to Jethro this morning . Still got a headache and a few bumps and scrapes . Other than that he's on the mend .
Rob .
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Jethro,
Put your feet up and watch some sheep to calm your nerves and ease the pain!
Don't think that's good advice. Jethro watching sheep. He might come over all un-nessesary!
Glad to hear your OK, but very sad to hear you were in a dump in the first place. Take care of yourself ya great galloot!
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Sorry to hear of Jethro's get off.
But really this euolgy towards open facers? In my view it is folly not to wear a good full face helmet when trajecting along at high speed. I'll say no more then...
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Yeah,
Perhaps it's a good idea to say no more, there are many riders on here who have been "doing it" for a long while now (personally some 50+ years) and have never found the need for a full face helmet yet. Pehaps occasionally, when it has been raining for the last 150+ miles and you are getting tired of the rain down your neck and the sting on your exposed bits of face, you think they might offer something, but nah, the rain stops, you carry on and all is well with the world again. If you set off with the aim of protecting yourself from harm in an accident and therefore need to cover up as much as possible you are only fooling yourself, your accident won't be like anyone elses, full face or not you cannot ensure that you won't get hurt, avoid, if you can, the accident, don't prepare for it as though it is inevitable. As it happens Jethro hit the back of his head when wearing a Davida open face helmet, it would have made no difference what the front of the helmet was shaped like. The old bugger was up and drinking pints some 30mins ago even though he was wearing an Open Face helmet so sweeping generalisations don't really help anyone other than give the person uttering them a false sense of security.
Fuzzy John
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Exactly John . At the end of the day it's personal choice .
Rob .
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Sorry to here about jethros "incident" glad all is well.
I know this thread has gone on a bit but I can't help thinking that 25years ago it wouldn't be open or full faced helmets but more a helmet or no helmet.
Cant help thinking that without a helmet jethro might have had a bigger headache at the very least.
ride safe beeman
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Hmmm, anyone who tries to simplify it to black and white is missing the point imho...
If a full face restricts your awareness of your surroundings or gives you the confidence to ride less cautiously and you then have a crash where the helmet saves your face was it a better choice than an open face?
Nothing is clear cut, and as was alluded (sp?) to earlier there are concerns that full face lids may be causing more serious injuries due to their design... we are unlikely to know soon (maybe ever) whether that is the case due to the thankfully relatively low numbers of fatalities, but it is food for thought isn't it.
Maybe the best option is an open face with a full face covering visor?
Also you have to consider the cost, inconvenience/convenience, comfort levels, and dare I say it, style of various designs and relate them to the potential benefits in an impact or impacts which may (hopefully) never happen... or could happen 20 yards from my front door tomorrow morning :o
I *know* I have to wear one for about an hour and a half every working day, and for extended periods outside of the commute, I *know* it will be subject to temperatures from below freezing to uncomfortably hot, I *know* any lid I will buy will have passed an arbitary test to prove it reaches a minimum standard, above that? Who knows ??? It's all best guess.
I would far rather wear a good quality open face that a cheap s**t full face, and a rubbish helmet that fits is better imho than the best quality that doesn't fit... yet still I see people buying second hand lids (even just the hygiene issues!! (looks for Julians barf smiley)) bizarre ???
Jethros' took a thump and worked, bonus, glad to hear it worked and hope he never has to test one again, Davida just came up a notch in my own personal opinions. :) Still don't know what sort of lid I'm going to replace mine with though :D