Author Topic: Additional oil lines to the head  (Read 928 times)

guest7

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Additional oil lines to the head
« on: April 24, 2007, 09:44:31 PM »
It's funny how the subject of additional oil lines came up recently (see SR fuelling thread).

I have been thinking of adding an extra oil feed to my XBR's head. Given the bike's propensity to eat exhaust cam followers, it seems obvious that there is an oiling deficiency.

I'm lucky here because a local engineer is one of the founder's of SRM (famed for their BSA twin oil feed conversion) and I think he's quite likely to be able to say whether this is possible or not.

I will get back to you when I've spoken to him. In the meantime can anyone think of any problems with adding a bouble banjo to the XBR's head oil feed and adding a line to the exhaust side of the head?

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GC

guest27

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Re: Additional oil lines to the head
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2007, 07:08:58 PM »
Yup - big problem - I do not have a head to look at...

I'll shut the door on the way out shall I?

R

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Re: Additional oil lines to the head
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2007, 05:58:10 AM »
sounds pretty logical to me, but mightn't it reduce the oil available to the original position and then you'd have twice the problem?
really depends on how much pressure/flow you have at that point to start with (i think)

guest27

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Re: Additional oil lines to the head
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2007, 01:10:42 PM »
Have been thinking.

I do not know the lube system of the XBR, but I am guessing it has plain big ends and probably some or all plain main bearings, these depend on the oil pressure being maintained for the bearing to float on its layer of oil.  (As do all plain bearings?).  The oiling to the top end then runs off the 'residual' pressure.

To get more oil to the top end we first need to be happy that the pressure fed to the bottom end is not compromised if we send more to the top end.  I do not know how marginal the pump is on the XBR, or if a higher output one can be fitted if the standard one is running close to limit to feed the bottom end.

In running more oil off to the top end we need to ensure that the pressure is not allowed to drop.  This probably means a restrictive drilling somewhere - an oil jet fitted into the double banjo?

Is it possible to open up any of the current restrictions over the oil to the top end / exhaust cam.  Would putting in a slightly smaller oil jet in the intake cam side and a slightly larger in the oil side cause more oil to pass to the exhaust cam, would this be a problem to the inlet?

If you get more oil to the top end, rather than redistributing it, will there be sufficiant area for it to drain back - does it just run down the cam chain tunnel or are there return lines? 

On the oil pump front - if it needs uprating and there is not one that will do the job, would a secondary pump to do the scavenge job and using the standard scavenge to oil the top end? -  I am assuming here that the XBR is dry sump.

Just some thoughts

R

guest7

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Re: Additional oil lines to the head
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2007, 01:21:29 PM »
Roller mains. not sure about the rest.

Feed pipe from head back to oil tank (and boy can that get pressurised, if the pipe is loose it spurts oil all over the front tyre).

Just had a rare moment of clarity and emailed 'XRsOnly' to see if they do any oiling mods for the RFVC motor. They have to be the best people to ask.

Cheers
GC

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Re: Additional oil lines to the head
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 02:47:04 PM »
Just been reading J Robinsons "Tuning 4 strokes" book - he recommends - uprating the oil pump - so long as there is somewhere for the extra oil to go.  Reducing the restriction to the cams OR increasing the restriction elsewhere.  But if the oil flows back from the cams to the oil tank - then I guess encouraging more of the return oil to go to the cams would be good?

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Re: Additional oil lines to the head
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2007, 10:37:29 PM »
Roller mains. not sure about the rest.
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Re: Additional oil lines to the head
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2007, 11:03:07 AM »
Ahh so getting oil there is important, but the pressure issues with plain bearing may not be.  Guess diverting some to the exhaust cam would not be a disaster so long as the restrictors were suficiant to also make sure oil gets to the BE and mains

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