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mthee

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XBR ignition key switch
« on: March 30, 2018, 10:50:44 AM »
Having googled, scratched my head and slept on it several times, I realise my lack of electrical knowledge means I'm in need of your help (again!) Can anyone tell me the maximum load that is switched by the ignition key? Many thanks.

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iansoady

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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2018, 11:05:34 AM »
Without a wiring diagram it's impossible to say - eg what are bat 1 and bat 2?
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 02:36:20 PM »
Sorry, tracing the wires, this is what I got;

Bat 1 is +ve feed off battery.
Bat 2 is Reg/Rectifier
PA is Side stand (this is off a diagram for GB500, which mine is not..! So not sure here)
IG is CDI
E is ground
TL1 is tailight
TL2 is Tacho and Speedo lights
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 03:14:45 PM »
Then it looks as though the full generator output goes through Bat1 - Bat2. Not a very sensible design as this could easily be 20 amps or so.......

You could rewire it to use a relay to switch that connection as the other connections (sidelights, CDI etc) will be quite low current.
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 08:55:57 PM »
Thanks. If it looks like poor design, maybe I've made a mistake in tracing the wires. I'll double check.
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2018, 10:16:00 AM »
I see R/Bl going to the fuse box and becoming Bl before connecting the reg/rec?

So max load is 20A?

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iansoady

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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2018, 10:57:32 AM »
Yes, looks like that feeds the positive bus in the fusebox.

You could put a relay in there - with a direct fused battery feed to the fusebox (on the brown) cable with the switched contacts in in it, triggered by the red/black coming from the ignition switch.
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2018, 11:55:56 AM »
Thanks for setting me straight on this, Ian.
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2018, 12:18:38 PM »
Then it looks as though the full generator output goes through Bat1 - Bat2. Not a very sensible design as this could easily be 20 amps or so.....

Would you explain why this is a poor design for me? I'm trying to improve my knowledge of electrics.
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2018, 01:02:26 PM »
You would normally not route a high current through a switch like an ignition switch as the contacts usually aren't very robust. It's fine for controlling a relay etc or indeed feeding the ignition.
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2018, 03:07:51 PM »
Worth looking after, too, as I couldn't find a replacement for mine. I shall get the graphite powder out, make sure I service the contacts and then add your relay. Much appreciated!
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2018, 03:21:32 PM »
Afternoon Matt, I think I've still got an xbr ignition switch in my stash somewhere, probably a tad worn from memory but if you want/need it let me know and it's yours for the price of the postage 👍
Cheers, Michael

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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2018, 03:51:58 PM »
Cheers, Michael!
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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2018, 04:55:47 PM »
Just away for the Easter weekend, back Monday evening Matt. I'll double check I've still got the switch upon my return and let you know 👍🔑

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Re: XBR ignition key switch
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2018, 08:01:18 PM »
I'd like to try to clean mine up first, but it's great to know I can relax if it's not serviceable. Ta very much!
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