Off Road Vehicles (Registration) Bill

[guest27]

Hi All

Thought this would be a good subject...

Under the bill - which has passed its second reading and has gone to committee all bikes will have to be registered, and if they cannot meet the regs they will have to be crushed.  Note the ALL in there.  This means that for the bike to be legally used Rossi's M1 will need to have tax and insurance and a MoT - which means it will have to meet C&U regs including brake lights, silencing, emissions etc.  Ditto those nice bikes that the National MC Museum have.  That old field bike of yours that you use in the garden - has to be road legal, or crushed.  All of this is to prevent the illegal use of mini-bikes, which of course it will, the lads who are currently using them with no insurance, tax, Mot, licence etc will all of a sudden stop when they realise they have to have a number plate. (Bollox)

SO drop an email to Graham Stringer - the MP behind the bill - and congratulate him on getting a private members bill through two reading, but also point out politely that by addressing the outcome rather than the cause his bill will do nothing to cut the antisocial behaviour of the lads on illegal minimotos, but will do loads to restrict or remove the legal pleasures of many, that you are sure that this is not his intent and that you look forward to his actively campaigning on behalf of radical change to his own bill .

His email is stringerg@parliament.uk  and your own MP through www.theyworkforyou.com

R

[andy230]

hey rog.

Damn fine stuff!  I was aware of this proposal but hadn't realised how far it had got.  Absolute lunacy, and wont stop the fuckers its meant to target.

I have a 1958 Norton in my loft.  Better get it crushed, I haven't registered it yet.  Luckily my Supermono race bike has a road frame so I can keep that (once its taxed etc).  And this means for the 2010 season, I may well be win, as I think its probably only me and Spike Edwards who have road frames. 

I'll settle for second!

a

[steveD]

.......and if you have read some of the articles about this issue one of the worrying things is that all of the bikes in museums will have to be similarly registered, bikes in dealers or breakers yards will have to be MOT'd or crushed, competition bikes will also suffer, BUT NOT CARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The idiot that thought of this legislation did not think it through very well at all and probably did not even consult the biking fraternity.
It will not stop the idiots that ride around on those stupid little minimoto's usually on the pavement!

Surely would it not be better to ensure all bikes are registered with a frame number and then just SORN would suffice

[guest27]

I had thought why no t just register the frame number - but then it occured to me - he probably wants to be able to look out of his front room and read a number plate and report this to the police.  Of course the lil scrotes will not have made up any old number plate, nicked the number form the local chief constable's car etc. - Or not bothered - "Sorry Officer it must have fallen off".

I have sent an email congratulating the MP in question for getting past two readings, but politly suggesting that he now work just as hard to fill all the holes he has left.  I have also emailed my own MP with my comments.  I do not know if this will have any effect - but 20,000 emails clogging up the inbox of any MP will get some attention?

R

[cloggy]

It failed to get any further so is a dead duck

[bullet350]

just noticed the website: theyworkforyou.com

someone in the civil service was feeling sarcastic when they came up with that.

350bullet- now on a whole host of govenrment lists

[guest27]

Cloggy - what are you meaning when you say it is a dead duck, it was forced to a vote on its second reading despite Ladymans best efforts, won on a big majority and now passes to the ctty stage.

Or have I missunderstood?

R

[hondamichael]

what about these rare barn finds ..it would be a big loss  to crush bikes like an old brough superior or a old vincent black shadow ...list endless , only because they are lying around somewhere in a barn without mot or taxdisc

[themoudie]

Having sat and read the debate on 'theyworkforyou'; one can only wonder at the verbosity and vacuous irrelevance of the legislatory process.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2007-03-02b.1185.1&m=1520

As for those 'Members' who quote Health and Safety legislation and promote the police to apprehend the riders of these machines 'safely', so that the rider is not able to sue the police! Just beggars belief.

However, the American 'Cold War' numerical analysis of human nature seems to have become the norm, 'I've got mine'. Or 'Choices for me!' Maybe trying some straight forward targetted communal 'Carrot or Stick', regardles of gender, colour, persuasion or creed might not go amiss.

Contributions have been left on the appropriate doormats!

[Andy M]

Cloggy - what are you meaning when you say it is a dead duck, it was forced to a vote on its second reading despite Ladymans best efforts, won on a big majority and now passes to the ctty stage.

Or have I missunderstood?

R

The government are killing it at the comittee stage I think. The vote only means they have to give it time, so they'll schedule it for after the election along with any other rubbish. When parliment is disolved such outstanding **** gets quietly dropped, the new government even if it's the same party only resurects a list of what they like. I'd bet they are killing it simply because they have equally insane plans they want to get through and/or don't want to get their pictures in the paper with that crushed Brough, but if it's dead, who cares.

Andy

[hondamichael]

As for those 'Members' who quote Health and Safety legislation and promote the police to apprehend the riders of these machines 'safely', so that the rider is not able to sue the police

i think there is something wrong why cant the police here in the uk not just stop riders/drivers who are illegaly on the road ..there is a way just drive with the car in front of him ,take the gun and aim towards  him , like they do it everywhere else in europe in the us, .....ok in texas they have a new law ...could be made with influence of the british goverment
In Texas, a recently passed anticrime law requires criminals to give their victims 24 hours notice, either orally or in writing, and to explain the nature of the crime to be committed. Only in Texas....?

 but to be serious as a fan of monkeybikes  and as  germany has a tuv  we had been forced to make our monkeybikes road legal and not only sort of legal , fully road legal occording german tuv otherwise you can get realy big fines