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ONE LUNGER

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XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« on: May 14, 2007, 08:12:17 PM »
Which way do you turn the air screw on an xt600 to weaken the mixture, is it out?? i keep getting a mental block in my brain!!!

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 08:24:57 PM »
are these the samy poxy carbs that are fitted to the srx as standard?

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 08:28:25 PM »
are these the samy poxy carbs that are fitted to the srx as standard?
I'm not too sure, maybe??

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 09:43:05 PM »
Aye onelunger,

Clymer manual [M416]. XT600 & TT600 1983 -1989. Page254, "Pilot Air Screw Adjustment. The pilot air screw adjustment is located in the primary carburetor. On 1986-on models, the pilot air screw is fixed in a blind housing and removal is not recommended as the housing plug must be removed. On 1985 models, the pilot screw can be removed. Count turns to lightly seat then turn counter clockwise to remove with the spring".

Float height, fuel level, carburetor 'Full-open' adjustment and carb synchronization adjustments are all given, but no pilot airscrew adjustment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May not bewhat you wanted to read, but I think it best not to mess with it.

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2007, 03:17:23 AM »
     Out is rich, in is lean. Start around 3 turns out from a gentle seating and go from there. Your bike shouldn't run smoothly and idle without stumbling when the engine is cold, otherwise, the mixture is too rich. Your correct mixture will depend on humidity, altitude and riding style. When the engine is fully hot, it should start easily without any choke, and if it starts with difficulty, it is often because the mixture is too rich for a hot engine. Be patient, be careful, and you will find your perfect mixture. Make sure your float needle is tight and doesn't leak, your float level is correct, your carb has no clogged jets, your float isn't bent or overly loaded with corrosion and has no holes in it that might admit fuel and hinder its flotation.

  Take plug checks frequently to check the mixture, and if you have to go over one range hotter or colder to keep the plug looking perfectly, change the pilot jet one bump at a time. Higher numbers are richer jets.    I am sure you will succeed.  Also... do these tuning steps with confidence. I am an ex pro yamaha tech and wouldn't steer you wrong.

  Just trying to help out here... no one is born with motowisdom, and we all had to learn it somewhere. Good Luck.

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2007, 11:30:53 AM »
Another thing, Mr Lunger
                       In case your low speed mixture screw still has the metal plug covering it, use a very sharp non self tapping drywall (sheetrock?) screw and very SLOWLY penetrate the plug, right in the center... at some point as you screw it in, the plug will rotate. Grab the screw with a pair of pliers and rotate the screw as you gently pull it out. Don't spin the screw in too fast or hard,lest you damage the screw face. The screw should survive this procedure intact and can now be adjusted with a small straight screwdriver.
  Do not remove or turn the screw, but squirt some penetrating oil or WD 40 into the recess and then GENTLY screw it in until it ....again...GENTLY touches the seat. Note how many turns or half turns it took to reach seat contact, and write it down for your future tuning references. You can then turn it in or out to lean or richen up the mixture and always know the factory setting.
  Keep in mind that the low speed mixture circuit DOES NOT shut down at higher RPMs, but adds to the primary and secondary main jet circuits. Be aware that if you do remove the screw for cleaning purposes, it is sealed by a very small and important o ring that seats against the smooth sharp ended section of the screw. Do not lose that o ring, which is contained by a very small metal ring. These are very small but vitally important parts and if you lose them your low speed running will be sloppy and hard to dial in. The end of the mixture screw is very sharp and delicate, and easily overtorqued and damaged, so be gentle and careful.  The tiny metal ring that seats against the jet and the o ring is the piece that the spring contacts. It prevents the little o ring from being chewed up, and compresses the o ring against the jet and carb body for correct sealing... very important for good tuning.        Good luck.    Be slow and deliberate and patient and you will succeed.
  Onward and upward.    Jim

                                   PS.           Your secondary main jet can probably remain stock and be OK.
To allow your secondary main circuit to come in a little earlier, you can cut one inch from the secondary spring located above the slide. I have had success with this moderate modification for years, and it makes the circuit transition a little stronger at lower RPMs and adds a bit of torque off the bottom. Do not remove more than one inch, and do not pull on the spring to stretch it.  OK?

  PS2.    Needle profiles and main nozzles can be played with and changed around, as well as float levels...raising the float level will richen your mixture throughout the RPM range, and a narrower needle will admit more fuel...the taper of the needle determining at what throttle opening the change in mixture will occur.  Many books have been written about carb tuning, but I think you have enough to work with here, and I don't want to avalanche you with too much too fast.  Ok Buddy, good luck. I love my XT600e, and will keep it forever.  Good choice.

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 05:37:30 PM »
This thread set me on a quest to check my settings - but there's no way tog et at the air screw on the SZR with the carb on the bike - what's the point of that? Mine seems to run a bit rich - but it's not really causing a problem on the road and it starts OK so I think I'll leave well alone....

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2007, 08:12:03 PM »
     Out is rich, in is lean.

Brain may be playing up, but it's an air screw so screwing it out the way lets in more air to the pilot circuit, and hence makes the mixture weaker, not richer??? Please let me know if I'm missing something. Rest of the advice sounded spot on though.

As long as the pilot jet is within the right ballpark I've always had good luck using the following method (which thinking about it doesn't require you to know which way is which):

Engine warm
Raise the idle speed a few hundred rpm
Screw it out 1/4 turn at a time until the engine starts to falter a bit (getting too weak)
Screw it in 1/4 turn at a time counting turns until the engine starts to falter again (getting too rich)
Screw it out half the number of turns again so that it's half way between rich and weak
Reset the idle speed back to normal.

If it's so far out that the bike won't idle to allow this start, 1 1/2 turns out from fully in usually makes a good start point. If it runs best with the screw less than 1/4 turn or more than 3 turns you either need to change the pilot jet, find the airleak or look at the float height and needle.

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2007, 11:01:30 PM »
Depends on the Pilot circuit as to whether screw in/out for enrichening or leaning off.

IF the screw is the AIRBOX side of the carb.slide then OUT FOR LEAN(more air)IN FOR RICH.

IF T'other side of slide NEARER INLET then OUT FOR RICH(more fuel)IN FOR LEAN.

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2007, 01:56:09 AM »
Exactly
            It's a fuel screw.      XT600s have no air screws in the carbs. They have some air jets in the venturi, but no air screws. In is lean, out is rich on the TK dual throat models on all XT350, TT350,XT550,xt and TT600s and SRX 250s, 400s, and 600s, and all 660cc MZs. Same carb type, same carb company, same tuning procedures.

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2007, 09:16:09 AM »
Same on the GB (and presumably the XBR). Out for rich. There's no room under the carb for an ordinary screwdriver so you use a screwdriver bit stuck into a piece of rubber hose.

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Re: XT600 AIR MIXTURE SCREW
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2007, 10:37:44 AM »
Well there you go. Years spent getting it right by doing it the wrong way round!!! Guess I've just been lucky that I've never managed to modify anything to the extent that it needed a pilot jet change, or I'd have been really (air)screwed.