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guest1680

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carbs
« on: July 30, 2013, 01:16:16 PM »
I don't know awhole a lot about carb I have a 80 Gn400 after riding the bike the carb leaks out of the bottom of the float bowl tube and I don't know why I took the bowl off and cleaned it out is there something I am not doing right and the bike run real good no problems

Propellor

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Re: carbs
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2013, 02:07:44 PM »
The tube maybe just a float chamber drain off point. In which case there will be a screw next to it which is undone to release fuel from the chamber. It could be loose or faulty. Be careful because there will be other screws in the vicinity which are adjustments, so don't turn anything unless you're sure. Or if you do turn anything, take care to note how many turns you make so you can retrace your steps.

It is possible the tube you are referring to could be the float chamber vent. Usually there would be a rubber hose leading off under the swingarm pivot area. This is to lead any overflow of petrol a bit more safely and cleanly away. The tubes often get pulled off and never get put back. Or they deteriorate/harden and fall off.

If this is the vent we are talking about then having petrol coming out means the level in the float chamber is too high. Most likely cause would be the little valve pivoted off the floats is not seating correctly, either by wrong assembly or the little rubber seat is past it's best. Another possibility is that the floats have been set too high.

The result will be rich running, which will lessen as you approach full throttle because you are basically consuming fuel as fast as it can get in. The purpose of the vent is to let atmospheric pressure act on the petrol in the float chamber. On the opposite side of the coin, a block in the vent would also cause trouble.

I don't know the bike you are talking about but i'm going from memory of how I seem to recall how jap bikes used to be.

As a clue as to whether the tube we are talking about is the vent, inside the bottom of the float chamber bowl there will be a standpipe (long thin tube), which should project above the level of the fuel in the chamber.
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guest1680

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Re: carbs
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2013, 02:36:44 PM »
That is the tube we are both talking about so I have to clean the carb real good or change the level some how like I said I don't know a lot about carbs I am trying to do it my self for me to learn

Smithy

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Re: carbs
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2013, 03:21:26 PM »
Hi Mike

I have an '82 GN400 and am having carb problems too, but that's because I put a free-flow air filter and exhaust on mine.

If the float bowl is overflowing, which it sounds like it is then it will either be the float height is wrong or the needle valve is worn.

Float height first - take the carb off the bike and turn it upside down. Remove the float bowl. Now measure from the flat face of the carb body to the top of the float. 25mm? Good, less or more not good. You will see a little brass needle that moves when you move the float, bearing on the end of that needle is a little piece of metal attached to the float. Bend it up or down depending on whether your float height was too low or too high. Measure, bend, measure etc until the float is 25mm.

Needle valve now. Turn the carb back the right way and attach a tube to fuel pipe inlet (DON'T use petrol for obvious reasons) use a container with turps in or similar and do this outside in a clean place where the liquid can be safely cleaned up afterwards. Now let the liquid run through as if it were filling the carb drain bowl then gently lift the float until the liquid stops flowing. Now ask a friend to measure the float again and it should still be 25mm. If its less your needle valve is worn and will need replacing.

Remember Youtube and Google are your friends at a time like this!

'course it could simply be a gasket needs replacing on the float bowl!

Propellor

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Re: carbs
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2013, 03:40:15 PM »
Advice from smithy sounds good to me.

Another possibility is a punctured float. A long shot that one though. The way to find out is shake the float. If you can hear anything sloshing then it has let petrol inside and lost buoyancy.
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guest1680

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Re: carbs
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 03:48:38 PM »
Thanks that help a lot I am going to do that tonight when I get off work

SteveC#222

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Re: carbs
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 04:40:21 PM »
I had much the same problem with a GN250. It could be that the float is set too high BUT before you mess with that try this.

Take the carb off.  Take the float bowl off. Take the float off and the float needle  (15) - it could be the needle has worn at the tip letting petrol past into the float bowl but also check this.  Look at the needle jet - the bit the float needle goes into (the other bit of 15) it's a push fit into a hole in the carb body held in place by a small plate & screw (part 16 &27) undo the screw, take off the plate, the needle jet should need a gentle pull to get it out. If it falls out ( like mine did!) have a look at the top and you will see a rubber O ring (14) that fits in a little groove in the jet body which seals it in the carb body.  This gets worn and lets petrol past. I fixed mine by getting a new O ring from the garage - this will sit too proud in the groove so you need to trim to fit by gently mounting the jet in the chuck of a battery drill and spinning it against some very fine used wet&dry paper a little at a time until it's a snug push fit. Re-assemble the carb and it should have fixed the problem - it worked for 3 years on the 250!

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Re: carbs
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2013, 07:40:55 PM »
Now that is worth knowing! Thanks that will help keep my GN400 going a lot longer.