Thumper Club Forum
Club House => Chatter => Topic started by: SRXweb on June 02, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
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I don't know if it's imported in England : http://www.watabike.com/watabike/details/49/27/ace/moto-skyteam-ace-125cc.html?lang=fr (http://www.watabike.com/watabike/details/49/27/ace/moto-skyteam-ace-125cc.html?lang=fr)
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Reminiscent of the old Honda 125 racer. Pretty, modernised. Needs lower bars.
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Er, no, the old Honda 125 (CB92R) was a SOHC twin. This is a single, and appears to be a pushrod engine like the CG125. No racer, then.
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Its the styling, the styling. Fairly obviously not the engine !
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Copy of Honda 50 dream, for the styling
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Honda made a replica too didn't they? I seem to recall it cost a bomb.
They pop up in the bike classifieds for £3k plus.
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SRXweb is right on.
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Very very similar
I want one
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Do you mean you wish to have a Honda Dream or a Skyteam Ace ?
A Honda Dream costs an eye (in France we also often say : "it costs the skin of your ass" ; sorry for this detail ::)), but it runs like a horse.
Very interesting little bike.
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the honda dream 50 is a stunning bike, reputedly built and sold at a loss by the race workshops at hrc, every one is hand assembled and tuned, theyre toy like and lovely things, but i think they will be better finished than the chinese copy
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The dream the dream, The other one could be a Chinese nightmare
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It could qualified most of chinese bikes or scooters, almost for engine parts.... but the chineses learn and run fast.
One day they will build cars that will pass the crash test, and reliable engines.
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I seem to recall a time when we said the same of Japanese cars and motorcycles, or fighter aircraft now I think of it......
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Chinese people are faster than Japanese in industrial process. They are very eager to eat the world.
Japanese fighters were very manoeuvrable but were poor in pilote protection. They were'nt abble to support the gun power and the speed of american fighters, very big structure around very big engine. These guys in the cockpit, wherever they were born, had big balls. And what about the boys in bomber planes ?
Back to the chinese, they soon will be abble to build planes because of the industrial transfer of our european plane builder : Airbus (I live near Toulouse in France and people here believe that Airbus is a french firm. How wrong they are).
Do you want to make your next trip in a chinese plane ?
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Slight drift here but it is fun.
My understanding was that Japanese fighter aircraft came as a nasty surprise at the beginning of the war and that the gap in certain performance aspects - pilot protection for one - only became apparent as the war went on. I have seen some rather impressive Japanese fighter designs late in the war of which few were built for obvious reasons. Perhaps the detail could wait for another thread - all those beautiful engine noises :)
I suspect that there will come a time when you may well be flying in a Chinese aircraft, just not yet. There again you would obviously rather ride a reliable BSA 650 twin than a dodgy Honda made of monkey metal, they will never last you know ;)
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Since when do Kamikazi pilots worry about pilot protection. ???
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Mmmm looking forwards to the nitrous injected, supercharged, aero engine thread 8) :)
@Mark, not all Japanese pilots were "God wind" ;)
It's not the copies of existing technology that I'm looking forward to, it's once they crack that and produce the next generation of two wheelers with new powerplants/powersources. I reckon in our lifetimes the existing four stroke sportsbikes will look as old hat as girder forked ohv singles
do now (not saying they're a bad design, just an old one ;) )
The only interesting/exciting question is what direction will it go in? ;D 8)
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You are perfectly right in any aspect of your message.
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Actually the replicas of Focke Wulf 190 are engined (is it correct ?) with chinese engine, replicas of russian ones of the 40's.
The french that owned one had two crashes with it (electrical and engine problem). He sold it. I think he flights his Corsair now.
A funny tale : the journalist that made a fantastic report when the SRX hited the road is now a great air photographer. He is a member of the Amicale Jean-Baptiste Salis that organizes every year the meeting of La Ferte alais : http://www.ajbs.fr/ (http://www.ajbs.fr/).
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Well said Smudge, well said. The high point of the last TT I was able to attend was definitely seeing the electric bikes, they may not be the future, but they are certainly one option.
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One of the amusing fails at the beginning of WWii was that the American torpedos didn't work. Because of the way military supplies were purchased there, the torpedo was so expensive that the Navy was forbidden to test it. After a lot of people died trying to sink Japanese ships with it, an admiral got into a submarine and ordered the crew to fire one at a sheer rock wall in Oahu. It didn't go off. They finally got a torpedo that worked, but like its predecessor it was so slow that Japanese crews amused themselves by running rings around it.
Meanwhile the Japanese torpedos could run straight and fast for 27 nautical miles and always blew up when they hit something. Nothing comparable was produced by anyone else for the next 20 years.
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Meanwhile the Japanese torpedos could run straight and fast for 27 nautical miles and always blew up when they hit something.
Were they manned?
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Oddly enough towards the end of the war some were - known as Kaiten I believe.
The Germans meanwhile developed the acoustic Torpedo.
Now where did I put that anorak ?
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The kamikzi were only introduced in late 44. Apart from lack of fuel (1 way trips) and pilots they used gullible trainee pilots who could manage to get a plane in the air while heavily sedated. Towards the end they had dedicated planes designed for kamikazi eg the OHKA K1 rocket plane
In the early years the Zero dominated the Eastern skies, Only until the yanks came up with the Grumman Hellcat did they loose their domination. The Japanese were arrogant enough to think that nothing could stop a Zero due to its agility so did not need armour. The zeros were undergunned as well.
This technology obviously spawned the dream 50.
The Lightning had poor performance in its earlier forms for the very reason that the torpedoes did not work. The cheap turbochargers were ineffient and left them with a poor ceiling height, but they were excellent gun platforms. Later versions were superb anywhere.
This technology obviously spawned the Harleys.
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What a great chatter room ! It is possible to learn every day
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And what did the French develop?
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What, you mean apart from the first (non pusher) forward firing "fighter" aircraft? ;)
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What, you mean apart from the first (non pusher) forward firing "fighter" aircraft? ;)
Very good, but weren't they were being chased.
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CV2 ugly but effctive
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The French developed nonchalance. Given their leadership, what else could they do?
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CV2 ugly but effctive
I thought the Canadians developed the Caribou Kurt?
@Mark, Roland Garros was certainly not one for being chased, b*lls the size of coconuts!! Even to sit behind a machine gun and deflector plates (sending rounds in random directions) let alone take it up against Albatrosses :o
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2cv - cv2
both as ugly as each other !
Prettiest thing to be made in France was the Mirage, But where was the Mirage designed?
Stupid government of the day halted this plane from going past design and test. The French grabbed it and made billions in export as many nations including Oz took it on.
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Spad XIII and Dewoitine D520 were pretty good and beautiful planes.
Can you tell more about this history of the Mirage (Mirage III) ?
In France we are told that the Mirage is french, developped by Dassault Aviation, and Dassault Aviation says that the Mirage is french.
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The kamikzi were only introduced in late 44. ...
This technology obviously spawned the dream 50.
The Lightning had poor performance in its earlier forms for the very reason that the torpedoes did not work...
This technology obviously spawned the Harleys.
Liked this a lot. Informative and bloody funny
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The French obviously copied or clandestinely used the design of this to develop the Mirage to the international success it became, from the Fairey stables
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Are you sure we are talking about the same jet fighter Mirage III ?
(http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/11/94/21/94/th/mirage10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=217&u=11942194)
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And a new one : 125 Mash
(http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/11/94/21/94/th/125-ma10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=218&u=11942194)
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OOOPs Sorry wrong Fairey, I meant:
This thing held the world speed record for nearly a year. The British govt, like so often, did not take up the design and opted on other types. When you look at Mirage1 and then 2 the upgrade is very obvious. The Fairey technology was also used in the Anglo French Concorde. Later British testbeds were used ton develop wing design for the delta of the Concord. The British and French did in fact develop and perfect the delta(Europe) but the British did not see the value in the delta.
France made a lot of money.
Another excellent delta that went nowhere was the Avro Canada Arrow, which was also pulled out of service for no good reason.
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Very similar indeed.
Concorde ........................... what a bird ! So thin and beautiful.
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Was out at East Fortune earlier in the year admiring the Concorde there, a beautiful creation!
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At Le Bourget, near Paris, it is possible to see the prototype of the Concorde and an Air France model.
You can see too an original model of a Spad XIII of George Guynemer, famous french ace of WW1.
Very beautiful museum.
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125 Mash, a great name for a motorcycle, The engine looks like an SR clone.
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As Marcel Dassault, the founder of the company, said in the book Mirage, Warplane of the World, "If it were not for the clumsy way in which you tackle things in Britain, you could have made the Mirage yourselves".
Never a truer word has been said >:( and still is the norm......
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I remember the day in Melbourne when the Concorde flew in a slow and lazy circle around the metro area twice. Magnificent.
Funny thing about the Concorde, Highly elegant, cutting edge technology, Superb aeronautics, but for some reason I don't really understand, it always reminded me of DeGaulle.
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This is China's Carrier based setup
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As Marcel Dassault, the founder of the company, said in the book Mirage, Warplane of the World, "If it were not for the clumsy way in which you tackle things in Britain, you could have made the Mirage yourselves".
Never a truer word has been said >:( and still is the norm......
Great job. I have to verify if my friend Patrick knows this fact. I recently saw a tv documentary about the Mirage history : they never noticed this history.
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Funny thing about the Concorde, Highly elegant, cutting edge technology, Superb aeronautics, but for some reason I don't really understand, it always reminded me of DeGaulle.
I really don't see why : Concorde had no ears :P :D ;D
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Of course.......
The Wings.... I just couldn't pick it!
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Oh ! I thought you were speaking of his very large hands :o